There is a rule I live by in my industry.
“Your success is my success, and my success is your success.”
Invariably, both of you will benefit from this endeavor.
Get your employer to pay for your training if they are willing.
The big question, what religion are you?
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I voted none of the above. While the styles differ, fundamentally I don’t see a significant difference between these two. There are differences between various Protestant groups that are greater than the differences between Catholics and what I would consider the average Protestant faith.
Perhaps Christian should have been one of the choices?
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God doesn’t damn or smite people off the hammer for no reason… it is not in the bible… That is why I do not exactly like calling myself fom a “religion”… because “religion” as in the word denotes the Beliefs of man about God… And I believe in the bible not a mans belief(although I might have been introduced to it or had it explained to me from man)…
A god is:
God
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
3. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
4. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
5. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
6. A very handsome man.
7. A powerful ruler or despot.Your god is what you serve… you have to serve something in all areas of life… and sometimes that is yourself… so therefore you are your own god… and if I look back at the definition of Religion:
1a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.In my belief you are a spiritual being and have power(dominion over the earth…) so therefore a god(small) and can be a religiously worshipped being…
GG
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wargaming_nut, im just being an ass
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Yes, I know, I just felt like asking that question of anyone who cared to answer 8) .
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the fact is, i dont see any reason why to believe in a god. i see more reason not to, than to try to come up with elaborate, complicated ideas such as gods to say that “its part of his grand scheme”. which if it is true, turns god into some kind of sick voyeur, giving us “free will” and letting us duke it out, but then he has a plan for us. its like we are his video game (again, playing the devils advocate to say he exists)
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I’d like to discuss with you again Janus, simply as a philosophical debate; if you want, we could PM it, so we don’t get booted for spamming ;).
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leave it to CC and yanny to decide, better to make it public so others can offer input
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Fine by me.
So, correct me if I’m wrong, but you find it more likely that an unexplainable explosion billions and billions of years ago created all the matter in the universe, which, through the course of more billions of years, coalesced into the various galaxies, which then, through the course of a few more million (or billion, take your pick) years formed stars, planets, asteroids, etc., etc., and one of them happened to have the exact right conditions to suddenly develop life, which then evolved through another few million years into us? This is assuming, of course, that you don’t think we were planted here by aliens, which I know you’re too intelligent to believe 8)
Have you noticed one thing interesting about evolution? It presents a theory which would be considered ludicrous if it was said to have taken place over the course of, say, a month, but if you spread it out over the course of a billion billion years, it suddenly becomes not just valid, but likely. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me…
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Why not add communism? It seeks to replace God with the State.
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Oh and I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. When I was growing up we called it “Russian Orthodox” since the Family was of Russian extraction-
F_alk didn’t we cover this subject last summer?
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We probably did….
which means i spent way too much time here on the board :DFor WN… shakes my head
Let me just drop a few natural laws which seem to be valid, and some names of researchers that do work you might want to look up yourself.
For explaining why the universe is this and not other:
-General relativity (a good starting point ot explain the nature of gravity)
-Quantum Chromo Dynamics aka high energy physics aka particle physics(to explain why stars and planets exist and how they work).Of couse: If (some of) the natural constants where different from what they are, our universe would have collapsed already, or stars could not have started fusion etc.
You could claim that god set these values to where they are, then i claim that god needed 10^34578902345893 attempts to create this universe and is a rather stupid bugger that he had to try so often.For life on this planet:
Chemist Uwe Meierhenrich, University of Bremen.
found 6 different di-amino acids on the Murchinson meteorite (on a sample of one gramm), who is known to contain 80 amino acids
See his article in the “Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences” (PNAS).
Chemist Matthew Pasek, University of Arizona in Tucson.
found phosphor in a meteorite, in a molecule similar to the phosphates of ATP. Offering an explanation how the earth’s scarcity of phosphor could have been overcome to allow life to spread: having a belt of asteroids in your solar system could be a necessity for your solar system to develop a decent spread of life.
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first: evolution makes perfect sense to me. consider the unique adaptations certain species of animals have. the scientific explanation, evolution, is completely reasonable. within a species, there will be certain mutations, or abnormalities in the offspring every so often, which of course we can see in humans (midgets), and other animals (three legged dogs). some will be useful abnormalities, others will not. if the one which is useful helps the animal to survive better than the others, then it will breed more, the others will breed less, and eventually the population will “evolve” into the new breed of the animal, better adapted to its enviroment.
second: while the scientific approach to the origins of the universe, life, and all the other mysteries is certainly not simple, it is far less complicated than explaining everything away with a god. god may seem like a cover-all explanation, but really, it raises important questions of why and how, as well as mysteriously introducing a being that is apparently all-powerful, timeless, omniscient, and existed before “he” created everything. far more complex when you actually look at it. also, with science, the things we conjecture and discover are empirical. we can, in time, do experiments and tests to observe their validity, and decide upon or change our reasons based on the results. things can be effectively “proven” to the extent that it is logically and mathematically incontrivertible, unlike god, which requires a leap of faith alone. even if you say you have “proof” or an experience of god, it is only proof to you, based on your faith. you claiming to have felt god’s presence cannot convince me, and is certainly no proof.
third: imagine if other things were based on faith. the criminal justice system. “well, i have no proof that you killed him, but i have faith that you did, and i feel it in my spirit that you are the one, so therefore, guilty!”
that would obviously be no good. -
By the way, since “Satan Worshipper” was brought up… I’d like to quote the bible.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich), and I know blasphemy of them which they say are Jews, and are not, but they are the synagogue of Satan
So you may be able to combine two categories there :)
(not to be anti-Jewish)
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janus, evolution is 100% idiocy, created by idiots that dont want to beleive that god exists even though the proof is there. evolution is not a theory, its an unconfirmed hypothesis, with absouloutly no proof, i would think someone like you would need proof.
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i am sorry about my brother’s(marine) boldness, please forgive him. as for evolution, it is a bunch of hogwash, but i can see why people beleive in it so much. it is a topic drilled into little kids from kindergarten, and their vunerable minds absorb it like sponges. so, from this, i understand why some indaviduals continue to believe in evolution.
But, for people to continue accepting evolution, even as adults is hard to believe. just take a peek out the window and say that a greater being did create this magnificent world. come on, the chance that everything happend to evolve into what it is today, is too absurd for me to accept. just the act of trees making oxygen from our carbon dioxide is a miracle(algae makes the majority of our oxygen)! how did the trees know to convert carbon dioxide into oxygen??? there definitely was a greater power behind all of this. ok, enough said, all of you guys will probally just laugh me off. BUT! it is something to ponder over. good luck trying to prove me wrong…. :D -
By the way, since “Satan Worshipper” was brought up… I’d like to quote the bible.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich), and I know blasphemy of them which they say are Jews, and are not, but they are the synagogue of Satan
So you may be able to combine two categories there :)
(not to be anti-Jewish)
very bad quotation… Claiming to be Jews(original meaning) is different from being one…
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i am sorry about my brother’s(marine) boldness, please forgive him. as for evolution, it is a bunch of hogwash, but i can see why people beleive in it so much. it is a topic drilled into little kids from kindergarten, and their vunerable minds absorb it like sponges. so, from this, i understand why some indaviduals continue to believe in evolution.
Actually, we have pretty much proven the concept of evolution to be true, or to actually occur. The most prominant example is that of bateical infections and penecillian immunity. By killing off bacteria with only penecillin, the few bacteria that are immune to it survive and reproduce, creating a strain of bacteria, all of which are immune. When penecillin was first discovered, it worked nearly 100% of the time (on thediseases it was supposed to work on), but now it works around 50% of the time, becuase the bacteria have evolved to be immune.
Thsi is also why AIDS patients require three or more types of medications for treatment to be effective. if only one was used, the mutable nature of the virus would allow an immune breed to form and breed. The additional treatments kill all the virus that were immune to the previous ones, preventing full immunity from developing.
generally, we know that creatures do evolve. In fact, it is impossible for them not to evolve, given the process of evolution. We knwo evolution is true, and that species do evolve to better adapt to thier surroundings.
If any of this is wrong, please correct it (CC), I’m basing this off fuzzy memories of Bio class.Now, none of this proves that humans evolved this way, form ancient monkey-like species, but I have a question for you, TT2. If evolution did not occur, then where did the bones of homo erectus come from? and why dont they exist today?
Or, how come humans today are, on average, several (i think it is 3) inches taller than the humans of the 10th century?
Just asking :D
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@marine36:
janus, evolution is 100% idiocy, created by idiots that dont want to beleive that god exists even though the proof is there. evolution is not a theory, its an unconfirmed hypothesis, with absouloutly no proof, i would think someone like you would need proof.
i think that “idiots” is an inappropriate term. Many evolutionists are brillitant scientists who try to make sense of the physical world that they find themselves in with the evidence at hand.
With regards to the “proof” - the Bible is a handy reference, but it does not tell us how God created the world - just that God created it.
Also - although there is no “proof” per se that evolution is the way the world was created, there is a considerable amount of evidence suggesting that there is some validity behind it. -
ok, so theyre smart idiots.the bible does say how god created the world, it says that he spoke a word.
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consider the unique adaptations certain species of animals have. the scientific explanation, evolution, is completely reasonable. within a species, there will be certain mutations, or abnormalities in the offspring every so often, which of course we can see in humans (midgets), and other animals (three legged dogs). some will be useful abnormalities, others will not. if the one which is useful helps the animal to survive better than the others, then it will breed more, the others will breed less, and eventually the population will “evolve” into the new breed of the animal, better adapted to its enviroment.
There is a distinction in science between micro-evolution, and macro-evolution. What you have described above is micro-evolution; changes within a species, allowing it to adapt to different environments. CY’s example of viruses changing is also micro-evolution, as was Darwin’s observation of the differences of beak size among the birds in the Galapagos islands. No one denies that micro-evolution exists; it can be observed throughout the world, and is an undeniable fact (different breeds of dogs are another example; same species, but with variation). What has never been shown, however, is that enough micro-evolution in the same creature can change that creature into a whole new species. More “advanced” species, such as humans, are not simply repetitive rearrangements of the same simple genetic material of, say, a snail. There is actual new, different, material. So here’s a question; can you give me a single example of a small change within a species (micro-evolution) resulting in entirely new genetic material being added to the species, thus resulting in an entirely new creature?
Actually, we have pretty much proven the concept of evolution to be true, or to actually occur.
What you have proven is the existence of micro-evolution, an irrefutable concept, which is totally removed from macro-evolution (the change of one species into an entirely new species). Everything you said about bacteria and viruses is true, but proves only the existence of micro-evolution. No proof has been brought forward of the existence of macro-evolution, and I challenge you to do so.
If evolution did not occur, then where did the bones of homo erectus come from? and why dont they exist today?
In 1981, Constance Holden wrote in Science magazine “The primary evidence is a pitifully small array of bones from which to construct man’s evolutionary history. One anthropologist has compared the task to that of reconstructing the plot of War and Peace with 13 randomly selected pages.” Jonathan Wells, Icons of Evolution
Henry Gee, Chief Science Writer for Nature magazine… “No fossil is buried with its birth certificate,” he wrote in 1999, and “the intervals of time that separate fossils are so huge that we cannot say anything definite about their possible connection through ancestry and descent.” ibid
The existence of bones which, at one point an unknown amount of time ago, were a creature which does not exist today, does not prove that we must be the descendants of that creature. What it does prove, however, is that a large amount of time ago a creature which could be either a sort of ape, or a modern human with a degenerate disease, walked the earth.
Or, how come humans today are, on average, several (i think it is 3) inches taller than the humans of the 10th century?
Better eating habits and greater nourishment are the most reasonable explanations (assuming you’re correct). Would you honestly say that evolution has caused people to get taller? Heck, Americans now are taller then Americans fifty years ago were; that doesn’t make us a different species.
we can, in time, do experiments and tests to observe their validity, and decide upon or change our reasons based on the results.
What sorts of experiments can you do to prove that humans evolved from apes about 200,000 years ago?
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