Stalingradski (Allies) vs. Fortress (Axis) - G40

[Fortress]

Ignore the post from “6:57p”. Sigh… Apparently spending all day with children has rotted my ability to receive and transmit thoughts… z111. I hit 4 times in z111, and would like an order of loss. If you sink the BB and leave the F, and you only hit once in the 1st round, the F might be able to destroy a plane in the 2nd round whereas the BB would only sink a sub. But if my goal was to sink the navy, I might just retreat if you did that rather than risk a 66% chance at losing a plane. So it’s not insignificant (again, only on the off chance that you hit 0-1 times in the 1st combat round with the naval pieces)…

[Fortress]

Right-o. Got it. I’ll sink the BB for you.

[Stalingradski]

Right on with your math - and I agree - a fighter, combined with you continuing on the attack, equals a chance to remove an important fang from the German maw.

I’ve come to regard aircraft as being as important in this game as capital ships, and I treat them accordingly…

I also see the sero hits in SZ110, and the survival of my UK navy off Canada as being acceptable from a luck perspective.

[Fortress]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern France
            1 armour and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
            2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            2 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France

Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 111 Sea Zone
            Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                    Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in France, round 1 :  8/16 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 1 :  4/11 hits
                    6 infantry owned by the French , 4 infantry owned by the Germans , 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 aaGun owned by the French lost in France
                    Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in France, round 2 :  5/12 hits
                    French roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter in France, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    1 armour owned by the French , 1 armour owned by the British , 2 infantry owned by the Germans , 1 artillery owned by the French and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in France
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35
                Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
            Battle in Southern France
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys in Southern France, round 1 :  2/5 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 1 :  2/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French , 1 artillery owned by the French and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Southern France
                Germans win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 1 :  5/12 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 1 :  2/5 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Germans and 5 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 cruiser; British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  5/7 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the French , 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 44
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 111 Sea Zone, round 1 :  4/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 111 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British , 1 battleship owned by the British , 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 111 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Germans Submerged
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
            1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                  Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
            2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to France
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
                  Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
            1 artillery moved from Germany to Western Germany
            2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2
            Germans collect 39 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Southern France : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
    France : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Western Germany : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
    Romania : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Poland : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry
    Germany : 1 flag, 1 factory_major
    Norway : 1 flag, 4 infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 flag, 1 fighter
    Southern Italy : 1 flag, 1 tactical_bomber
    112 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports
    Bulgaria : 1 flag, 5 infantry
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
    Finland : 1 flag, 5 infantry
    110 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship and 2 submarines
    111 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 26 / 26
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 12 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 25 times
            2 was rolled 18 times
            3 was rolled 20 times
            4 was rolled 23 times
            5 was rolled 20 times
            6 was rolled 11 times
        Average roll : 3.239
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 1.026
        Standard Deviation : 1.013
        Total rolls : 117

Null / Other
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 4 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2.947
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.611
        Standard Deviation : 0.782
        Total rolls : 19

Neutral_Allies Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 3.400
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 1.750
        Standard Deviation : 1.323
        Total rolls : 5

Germans Combat
            1 was rolled 13 times
            2 was rolled 9 times
            3 was rolled 15 times
            4 was rolled 12 times
            5 was rolled 8 times
            6 was rolled 8 times
        Average roll : 3.262
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.734
        Standard Deviation : 0.857
        Total rolls : 65

French Combat
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 4 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2.947
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.611
        Standard Deviation : 0.782
        Total rolls : 19

British Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 4 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4.222
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 1.375
        Standard Deviation : 1.173
        Total rolls : 9

[Fortress]

Yeah, I got tired of getting diced in 110/111 - normally I only bring 3 subs and send 2 to canada. I brought the extra sub (and risked 106) with the intention of getting screwed on the dice again but having an extra piece of fodder for that almost certainty. I guess I don’t get to gripe now about the extra mech I lost in southern france, eh?

I’d normally say that these things even out, but parking an undamaged BB and 2 subs in the channel on turn 1 certainly changes what you might feel comfortable doing on UK1. I’ve been thinking about a modified LL system that guarantees a hit for 12 pips in case you come up empty. You basically get to roll dice as normal, but if you fail each round to reach 50% of your expected casualties inflicted, you get to round up to that number… Evens out the “you gotta be kidding me - I have 38 infantry defending and I got 2 effing hits!” factor without making it too predictable.

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 artillery and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Combat - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
            2 aaGuns moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Kazakhstan
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Samara
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            3 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 aaGun moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            6 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 infantry placed in Volgograd
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

[Stalingradski]

My long time A&A gaming partner - Infrastructure - and I developed a LL system that was nice, and worked for face to face games, and ABattlemap.

Basically, added up the pips, and a certain number would trigger an automatic hit, with the remainder of the dice being rolled. We generally set it up so that every 8 pips = a hit… so say you had five infantry and a fighter (8 pips on offense), you’d get a hit and a roll of 2. If you had 16 pips, you get two hits plus whatever dice were leftover. 24 pips = 3, 30 pips = 4, etc. The number of dice you roll in this system grows as you have bigger battles, which allows dice to stay a part of the game… but not too much.

As I’ve said in many places here… A&A is a strategy game with dice, not a dice game with strategy. To me, the difference is huge. We’re mot playing Risk, here. Strategy, logistics, purchases, etc. should be the #1 indicator of success. There’s nothing worse than putting 20 hours into a game, just to get effed by dice in the most important battle. I think this gets more and more important to me as I get older and raise a kid… time is precious.

So I pray, in every game, for even luck for both myself and my opponent. I don’t mind losing to superior play! But I hate losing to dice, especially if I’m playing a great game otherwise.

[Stalingradski]

And yes, I’ll have some interesting decisions with UK in the Atlantic…  :-D

[Fortress]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 1 :  2/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 :  5/7 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hunan, round 1 :  4/9 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery moved from Shantung to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 fighter moved from Korea to Jehol
            4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Jehol
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory_minor placed in Kiangsu
            1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Iwo Jima : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
    Kiangsu : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor
    Kiangsi : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Japan : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 5 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 3 fighters, 5 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    Siam : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag, 4 infantry
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    33 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer
    36 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    20 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
    6 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 30 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 8 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 7 times
            6 was rolled 4 times
        Average roll : 3.562
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.258
        Standard Deviation : 0.508
        Total rolls : 32

Japanese Combat
            1 was rolled 3 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 4 times
            4 was rolled 5 times
            5 was rolled 6 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 3.708
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.348
        Standard Deviation : 0.590
        Total rolls : 24

Chinese Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.125
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.286
        Standard Deviation : 0.535
        Total rolls : 8

[Fortress]

I totally agree on several fronts.

I’ve been wanting to get back into A&A for a couple years now, but I just haven’t had the time. I only got on the boards (visiting) last October because I spent the previous year training for the Chicago Marathon in all (hahahaha) of my free time as a single dad. So a game that gets weird results because of crazy dice isn’t great - if I’m doing something stupid, I don’t want dice to save me. I want to know that I’m doing something stupid so that I don’t do it again.

I’m grateful for the randomness of the dice, though, too. I’ve noticed that straight LL (6 pips and roll the remainder) leads to exactly the same 2-3 opening rounds every time. And the Axis gets a bigger advantage because they don’t have to risk unneccessary pieces to counter-attacks to avoid getting diced when they’re attacking. Knowing how many units to commit also allows them to spread their advantage over a greater area. And since they move before their opponent (in the case of Germany and Japan) and they’re assured of not having to fight the USSR or USA until turn 4 unless they want to (and get to dictate the who, what, where, and when of that engagement). So it’s nice that, even if it’s just a unit her and a couple units there, the game is different every time and you HAVE to be able to critically think about cost-benefit and to think like your opponent in order to have any shot at success (or having fun, for that matter).

BTW, I like your R1 move to meet the Germans. Most people assume the AC/2TR buy is just a feint and drop back, fearing a G2 Barb. Your stance is saying that you expect a Sealion and you’re ready to counter - and that if I’m going to G2 Barb, you’re fully prepared to send handfuls after handfuls of units on both sides right back into the box we took them out of. I’m not sure if it makes me more or less likely do any of 3-4 different strategies (I still have no idea what I’m going to do, LOL), but you’re certainly taking the initiative with the Soviets – something they don’t do frequently, what with the whole “not being at war” thing. LOL.

[Stalingradski]

I like the conversation -

Firstly - nice work with the training! I was in great shape right before I got together with my wife, and had a kid… it’s been downhill since then…  :-)

I agree that some element of dice is very important - it takes into account stuff we don’t have to include in a game with such a vast scale - weather, logistics, supply, talent of leaders, morale of troops, etc., and does it quite well. I like the safety net of a revised low luck, so you make sure you get something… but straight dice does the trick, and like you said, forces us to adapt. Seeing a different game every time has a great deal to do with dice as well… absolutely, and it makes the game much less rote.

As to your German direction… agreed! I always have a sort of rough outline in my head about some directions things could go, but I’ve found that if I’m too rigid to a set plan, I end up losing. I’ve learned the hard way to maintain the ability to shift on the fly, even if the big picture goals remain the same.

Yes to Russian posturing! I do it for two big-picture reasons:

• As you said, Russia has to be able to grab extra IPCs if Germany does go Sealion. I believe it’s important to draw a line beyond which “You shall not pass!” Of course, Germany will eventually pass… they are too strong not to in the hands of a moderately capable operator. But the key is for Russia to kill Germans on the German side of the border for as long as possible.

• The second and more overarching is that I believe A&A is a game of initiative. I’ve written this several times, emphatically, in several places… but I never really get any kind of response to it. In my experience, even if you are the militarily weaker player, you can still sometimes summon up the ability to force your opponent to deal with you, rather than vice-versa. It’s a critical part of the game. Whenever possible, I try not to let my opponent feel comfortable, or give a breathing space. Make them do something each turn they’s rather not have to. That might take the form, for example, of needling attacks on the perimeter, or of taking seemingly insignificant islands like Formosa… that extra IPC for the Allies and one less for Japan adds up, and pays for the transport and infantry you used, in a long game.

Anyhow! My wife is pretty sick today, so I don’t have much time right now to play. I’ll be getting around to it later tonight, as I can -

[Fortress]

In college I was around 170#. I was up to 210# when my ex-wife was pregnant 8 years after college. I am not a pretty man at 210#… I was 196# the day I started training for the marathon, 188# when I ran it with a torn meniscus, and 174# today - 51 weeks and 6 days since the race. No, I can not explain how one loses 8# running 4-5 days a week and loses 14# in a similar time span by… let’s call it “running somewhat decidedly less than 4-5 days a week”… In any case, I’m pretty happy that I can wear jeans I bought almost 20 years ago when I was an 18 yr old…

I hope your wife feels better.

And NICE Gandalf quote…

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 45 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 13 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 13 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to 9 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 9 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 armour moved from Central United States to Western United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
            2 aaGuns moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            2 carriers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            4 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 4 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Szechwan
            1 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Ethiopia
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 battleship and 2 submarines
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - British
            3 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
                  UK_Pacific take Celebes from Dutch
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to British Guiana
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 102 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to British Guiana
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 87 Sea Zone to French West Africa
            3 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 artillery moved from India to Burma
            1 aaGun moved from India to Burma
            1 infantry moved from India to Burma

Place Units - British
            1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 34 PUs

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

[Stalingradski]

Well, I had a great counter in SZ110… all six of my units hit, and I only lost a destroyer. That’s how the luck gods work, I guess…

I made a rookie logistical mistake with UK Atlantic… I’ll edit and post a new map.

[Stalingradski]

My naval units were threatened by your two German bombers… so I edited them where I wanted them. Unfortunately, the infantry/armor wouldn’t edit to the SZ I wanted, so I added them to the West Indies. They’re actually at sea right now.

Italy!

[Fortress]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
            1 battleship moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Greece
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Greece
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Greece, round 1 :  4/6 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
                Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking Tunisia from French with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer
                French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the French and 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3
            Italians collect 12 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Kenya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Tunisia : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Tobruk : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 factory_major, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Southern Italy : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters and 1 harbour
    96 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    93 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer
    Greece : 1 flag, 2 armour and 3 infantry
    97 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 transport
    92 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 transport
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 20 / 20
    Italians : 13 / 24
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 8 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 9 times
            4 was rolled 8 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 12 times
        Average roll : 3.974
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 1.974
        Standard Deviation : 1.405
        Total rolls : 39

Null / Other
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 4.833
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 1.600
        Standard Deviation : 1.265
        Total rolls : 6

Neutral_Allies Combat
            3 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4.750
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 2.000
        Standard Deviation : 1.414
        Total rolls : 4

French Combat
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 4.833
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 1.600
        Standard Deviation : 1.265
        Total rolls : 6

British Combat
            3 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.000
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Italians Combat
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 5 times
            4 was rolled 4 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 3.409
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.857
        Standard Deviation : 0.926
        Total rolls : 22

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total