Did anyone mention Omar Bradley? he was a real ass-kicker.
I think that Mac was responsible for many many lives lost. He made some stupid mistakes that his advisors told him never to do. Problem was, he was so popular in Japan that the US government wouldn’t remove him from command.
come on the Japs fought to the last man.Hard not to lose lives with an enemy like that.
GC:
We are talking about Korea in this case.
Yanny:
I guess you’ve heard some things that I haven’t. When Mac was removed it was due to the fact that Truman belived he couldn’t trust Mac to stay withing the boundries he was given. Mac wanted to take the war to China and had nukes at his disposal. Truman was afraid that if we atacked the Chinese on there own soil that the USSR would join in starting WWIII.
Have you ever played the Avlon Hill game “Korea”? I think Mac was in a tough spot and it seems to me with what he faced he did a good job.
sorry Don’t know much about the Korean War
Mac ws a exellent general and a massively popular public figure. He was however a terrible politician, his understanding of the consequenses of his actions seems to have been very limited. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have started WWIII if given the chance.
Anyone who wants to use Nukes is bad in my book. Also, I think that Mac would of Nuked China if he had been in place much longer.
I say he was responsible for losing a lot of lives because he incited China into much more than they were originally going to do.
If I had a fresh new weapon like nukes i’d want to use them too.I really like Mac and I’d like it if everyone layed off.
The Chinese had determined to commit troops if the “UN” forces crossed the 38th parallel. When they did it was not Macarthur’s decision. The US gov. (CIA) believed that the Chinese would stay out of Korea. They expected the Chinese to build a defensive line at the border.
The decision to use nukes was made by Truman. It was determined, when the front stabilized near the 38th Parallel, that if large numbers of Chinese or Russian troops were moved in to Korea, nukes would be used on specific targets in Manchuria.
Macarthur did very little out side of his orders. He was told to use only ROK units within a certain distance of the Chinese border. ROK units were of very low quality for the most part, so Mac used his judgment to the counter of his orders here.
Macarthur wanted to attack what he saw as a threat. That’s what Generals do. I don’t think the conflicts between him and the US Gov. make him any less of a General. Maybe if some of the German Generals were a little more like Mac and Patton they would have had a chance to show their true abilities in WWII.
If I am not mistaken (though it is a possiblity, the Korean War is not my area of expertise), Mac rushed to the <insert name=“” here=“”>River which was closer to China than the US government told him to go. Much closer in fact, close enough for a full alert of Chineese troops. I believe this is the reason he got thrown out by Truman.</insert>
I am sorry, but you are mistaken.
The US government on advise from the CIA adopted a “Roll-Back” strategy during the offensive campaign, which was determined, would end communism in Korea. The Chinese feeling a dept of gratitude to their comrades who had just helped them win a revolution, decided to assist them long before troops came near the Chinese border. The problem here was that Western intelligence has historically been unable to guess what Asians will do in a given military/political situation.
But hey, lets get back to World War 2. :wink:
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I am in the belief that monty’s perceived lack of aggression stems from britain’s dire manpower shortage by the end of the war. Market-Garden was an example of this desire to end the war with minimal loss in life. Even if the british people had a blood and guts general like Patton, they would not favor him because this attitude would be perceived as carelessness with the live of soldiers.
I don’t see why that pointless Korean war discussion happen on a website about a ww2 board game.
Hey Patton-
I don’t recall Patton kicking the crap out
of Rommel. However, Patton did read Rommel’s book on
Tank warfare. You are going against the grain
on this one.
What are you talking about? Patton defeated Rommel’s 10th Panzer at El Guettar (BTW: Patton is my favorite General). Patton was the most dangerous General on all fronts, N. Africa, Sicily, Northern France, and finally Germany. Quite possibly Patton could’ve ended the war by Sept. 1944 if not for arch rival Monty.
I thin MacArthur was the best general also.
And As far as getting thrown out of Koriea, Truman thought he was a rival for president, So thats why.
I hate to burst your bubble Moses, but Patton arived in Africa and took over command on the 4th of March 1943, and Rommel was relieved and returned to Germany on the 5th of March 1943. The big stories of Patton defeating Rommel are a propaganda myth. Patton along with the rest of the allied army in Africa faced Colonel-General von Arnim. Not familiar with him? History doesn’t remember loosers.
I agree the Patton was a great General, one of histories best, however he never realy went head to head with Rommel.
Well of course I knew that Rommel wasn’t present during Patton’s victory. However it is undoubtably true that Rommel planned the battle. If you beat Rommel’s plans, didn’t you defeat Rommel? Plus, Patton’s greatest victory wasn’t even against Rommel. Patton was the person who saved the Allies’ hide in WWII at BotB.
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However it is undoubtably true that Rommel planned the battle. If you beat Rommel’s plans, didn’t you defeat Rommel?
Not really, If a general is not present at a battle, they can not addapt their plans for things the enemy does.
