Wonder if Roger Mortis has set in yet.
Michael Moore, Genius or Idiot?
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Sorry I just had to laugh when I read this. So now you, a right wing conservative is accusing Lincoln a Republican of being a communist? You really need to learn some history there bud. Anyway isn’t it interesting how immediately WargamingNut had to throw the Communist label on me? No actually the first three words of the Constitution say WE THE PEOPLE and what I wrote was in reference to the whole of the people, by the people, for the people ethos of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but again we see that far right reactionaries are against the Bill of Rights much like the Nazis were…coincidence. I wonder what Falk and some of the Germans who post here think of similarities between this kind of thinking and the Nazism movement. There are afterall uncanny parallels.
When did I call Lincoln a communist? I don’t like him, I think many (if not all) of his policies were wrong, but I never said he was a communist. I mentioned communism because so many communist nations (example: The People’s Republic of China) claim to be “for the people,” when they’re so obviously for anything but “the people.” Hmmm…. “Far right reactionaries are against the Bill of Rights, much like the Nazis…” That almost sounded like a coherent argument… So close… ;). I’m perfectly for the Bill of Rights, Agent, and while I think MM is a contemptible person, I wouldn’t restrict his right to state what he thinks; that doesn’t mean I can’t make clear my dislike for him, and his ideas.
Maybe next time you should read exactly what I wrote, instead of jumping to conclusions, and assuming the worst. Might help you avoid making wild accusations and ending up sounding like a fool.
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But you and many other reactionaries have stated opinions here in favor of censorship how do you reconsile that with the bill of rights. Further, the far right often triumphs certain rights like to bear arms, but is often against free speech. How can you be in favor of one and not the other. Perphaps our society would be better off without free speech and guns, but herein lies the problem were do you stop.
Would you mind showing me the quote where I said I was in favor of censorship? And how do you define free speech? (btw, I’m in favor of the right to keep and bear arms; just FYI). If you mean letting MM mouth off about nothing, sure, I won’t restrict that. If you mean letting anyone who wants to to hang a Confederate flag out of his window, or put a statue of Lee or Davis on his lawn, I certainly have no problem with that. If you mean peaceful demonstration, I have no objections to that at all, whether I think the demonstrators are right or not. If you mean forcing newspapers to print the opinions of every moron who writes in, I would object to that. It all depends on what you mean by “restricting free speech,” and I can’t discuss it with you until I know what you mean.
Yes your scholastic insight into Communism/Bolshevism is laughable as well. Yes these govt’s are so bad for the people and yet how do you account for the fact that the people in China and Russia are far better off now than in the pre-Communist days. Considering the rapid improvement to the quality of life for the common person in these places perphaps you should rethink this. However, if you feel sorry for the average aristocrat, bandito, and warlord then I agree these types are far worse off than in the pre communist era. Are you saying you are against law and order?
So you truly think China and Cuba are better off with a communist government. And yet you objected when you thought I had called you commie? Which is it? Are you in favor of communism (in which case you ARE a communist, though I hadn’t accused you of that) or you’re lying when you say you think China is better off. Or, possibly, we have different ideas of what constitutes “better off.” Personally, I’d say a country where people are not allowed to vote, not allowed to demonstrate, and where free speech and dissenters are completely eradicated (just to name a few) is not better. But I suppose you can go ahead and see China as a golden paradise; just don’t say that in front of any refugees from that hell hole.
Oh no I smell an unreconstructed southerner/anti-federalist! Yes there is much to hate about Lincoln freeing the slaves, preserving the Union, and building the transcontinental railroad. I think this alone shows how far right the extreme right is when they can’t even own up to the legacy of their founding patriarch Abraham Lincoln. Indeed the far right is closer to Nazism than conservativism.
Lincoln only freed the slaves in the South, where he had no control (the Emancipation Proclamation, that document so revered by people like you, specifically says slaves in the North and parts of the South that had been conquered by the North, were to be exempt from this freeing), he forced another country into bondage (question; if the American Colonies had the right to secede from England, why didn’t the South?), and condoned the actions of Sherman and Sheridan, who started the wonderful tradition of total war by sacking Georgia and the Shenandoa Valley, respectfully. Oh, and by the way; I was born in New Hampshire, and have lived here all my life. That’s about as far north as you can get, Agent.
I don’t think there’s really any point in my continuing this argument with you, Agent; your entire case seems to be calling people who disagree with you (and, just for the heck of it, the entire right wing) Nazis. Maybe I’ll continue this with Falk who, even though I disagree with him frequently, tends to be reasonable.
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This makes me think of something as I listened to one of Kerry’s speeches today. He claims that becuase the Bush administration hasn’t come out against the “Swiftboat Veterans” ad, that that means the group is doing the Republicans dirty work for them.
But wait….has Kerry come out and spoke out against Fahrenheit 9/11? Hmmm, I doubt it…
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he is neither a genius nor an idiot, he is a fat asshole that is extremely hypocritical, and lacks any common sense, instead possesessed only of extreme left-wing ideology. whether or not you agree with his message, what he is doing, his films, etc. he is neither genius nor idiot.
agent: for myself at least, im not against free speech (well, not as such)
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@Deviant:Scripter:
….has Kerry come out and spoke out against Fahrenheit 9/11? Hmmm, I doubt it…
I recall John "F."ing Kerry saying he was against…
- F9/11,
- calling G. "'W."hat-did-he-say?(pronounced “Wad-E-say?”)Bush a liar, Nazi, racist, dictator(“regime” and “regime change”), KKK member, warmonger…
- every ad by moveon.org and other similar 527s,
- every attack ad by every Democrat contending for the Democrat nomination for Presidential Candidate for the 2004 Election(including his own), and
saying he(Kerry) would stop all attack ads,
every time immediately after he said, " I was in Vietnam."
NOT!!
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It takes a certain genius to find your niche target, develop a product, market it, and then make millions off of it.
And yet, I find it quite idiotic to throw political support for someone who will take all of those hard-won earnings away in higher taxes to the millionares.
The ancient Supreme court once pointed out in a ruling that “the power to tax is the power to destroy.” Taxing weighs the initiative of the working against the hungers of the political beauracracy. While a certain amount of government is needed, cases abound about how waste and corruption destroy the wealth of our nation. Taxing should be structured to encourage the best workers, and work motivators from around the world to live amongst us and contribute here, in the land of the free.
Each of the major party candidates have major weaknesses, yet their stated policies differ mainly in tax policy. Their running mates both exhibit greater personal ambition than ability for the nation as well. Highly reminiscent of another recent administration.
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He stands to make about 100 million on this movie. Genius.
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no, he is not a genius, or an idiot.
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he is a complete idiot.
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Just think if lived somewhere like N. Korea or China…Off with his head!!! :lol:
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just because you think he is wrong does not make him an idiot. similarly, just because someone else thinks he is right doesnt make him a genius. making a politcal propaganda movie is neither genius nor idiot. perhaps the first person to ever do it could have an argument for genius, but by now, its simply applying an old idea to a new situation. he hasnt done anything in his movies factually that was new or shocking, it was simply the same old “facts” and “statistics” that are thrown around by all the other sources. the only difference is he manages to make his mildly entertaining. i hate him, and i disagreed entirely with “Bowling for Columbine” but i found it entertaining. all he is, is a fat, asshole, political activist who has some skill with movie making, thats all. he is neither genius nor idiot.
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I don’t care what you think of him or his movies. He made something like 30 million personally off this movie. Genius.
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NO! making money does not make you a genius. jesus christ yanny, i just said the same thing “it doesnt matter what you think of his movies”
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disagreeing with me makes you an idiot. :lol:
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the opposite of wise would be foolish i think, but definetly not idiot.
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Well, an idiot would be an ignorant, or brutish-type of person. He might not necessarily be foolish; in fact, he might be very clever or wily, thus making him ignorant, but not foolish.
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Whipping out my Dungeons and Dragons Player’s Handbook, the definitive source on attribute definitions :lol: :wink: .
Intelligence: How well someone learns and reasons. I consider high intelligence to the definition of genius.
Wisdom: Common sense, perception, and intuition. Less academic, more “street”, such abilities are not a requirement for being a genius.An idiot has to have low intelligence, however, that person’s wisdom could be anything. A fool has to have low wisdom, but that person’s intelligence could be anything. Animals are idiots, but often possess a killer instinct and exeptional perception, so thier wisdom would be relatively high (they lack common sense and certain forms of intuiton, though, so not that high).
Michael Moore has a high wisdom. He understands intuitively how to create a product that will attract audiences, and has a knack for making even the most innocent events appear sinister. Often, though, his anaylsis of the information is pathetic, and his conclusions, even with the evidence he provides, are not believable. As such, i would not put his intellignec very higher. Only average.
Moore can succeed, but by that definition, George Bush would be a genius, becuase he is president of the most powerful nation in the world. Thats success in my book, but even i know that Bush is not particularly bright. His intelligence is only slightly above average.
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Ahh so idiocy is merely ignorance. Good to know that! Anyway if that’s true wouldn’t that make Dubya an idiot, as he was ignorant when it came to whether Iraq had WMDs. So in that sense wouldn’t Moore’s criticism be correct even if its not always 100% right.
It always comes back to W. for you, doesn’t it? I’m not even going to bother to reply, it won’t get anywhere. Look to CY’s definition, it’s better than mine
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its more than taking a shot when someone devotes an entire movie to why he hates and thinks you are an idiot.
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i think the entire smear-campaign idea is excessive. i loathe this part of politics. personally, i think that neither side should be allowed negative campaigning, only positive, because you shouldnt have to make your opponent look bad to beat him. if you cant on your own, you dont deserve the position. however, i also think that if one side does engage in it, its acceptable for the other to do so.
keep in mind the following
1. the attack ads on kerry’s record come from people who served with him, not people who simply question his record. lying or telling the truth they may be, but they do have first-hand knowledge whether they share it or not
2. they are not affilated with GWB. the connection with the republican party is insofar as they were funded by one wealthy republican, not connected with the bush campaign.
3. moore’s movie (and the similar detractors using the same threads) came before the ads.
4. Bush’s war record has been attacked as well.i dont think either side should do it, but if kerry’s side will, i think bush can too. fair is fair
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