• Ha, I wonder why? :roll:


  • I am very concerned. Over the past few years, these fires have grown out of control. Its a serious envirmental issue. Our Government could kill two birds with one stone by putting more money into alternative energy. They could not only decrease our dependency upon foreign oil, but solve long standing envirmental issues.


  • Wait, how does alternative energy factor into the equation? Almost all forestfires are due to nature, human misconduct, and lack of common sense.


  • I think its a bigger problem. Call it Global Warming, the Greenhouse effect, whatever, the earth is too hot. I know in New Jersey, 6 or 7 years ago, we’d get 30 inches of snow every winter. We got something pathetic like 7 inches this year, and thats been the high since 1996. We’ve never seen Forest Fires like this before. Worldwide, the weather is screwy.


  • That’s not the worst of it! Today a large forest fire broke out in Cajon Pass (Southern California) trapping cars on a nearby highway and even a train! Sorry Dzert, but it looks like we’re having problems of our own. :(

  • '19 Moderator

    Well, It looks Like they will be able to contain it at 410,000 acres.

    I agree things seem to be dryer than they have in the past, however I’m also pretty sure humans didn’t cause the end of the last Ice age either. The planet has cycles and speculating that we are the cause of global temperature changes is in my opinion a little big headed. :)

    in 1990 we in Arizona hit record hight temperatures on quite a few days including one day where it hit 122 in Phoenix. In the last few years it has cooled off. We better watch out there might be another Ice age on the way. ;)

  • '19 Moderator

    Well, it figures a BIA contract Fire fighter intetionaly started the largest wild fire in our states history. 725 square miles that is more than twice the size of New York City for you easterners.


  • Excuse me for asking, but what’s a BIA contract firefighter?
    And this was Intentional!? :o By golly, there is gonna be hell to pay if this is true :evil:


  • yeah, apparently some firefighter looking for some more work. He apologised, and now is in custody.
    Bad Boy!


  • Double Ouch! I wonder what his tab is gonna come out to. It sure aint gonna be pretty :o


  • LOL, did you hear about the latest guy they caught? He was a firefighter who started a forest-fire so that he could have work in the summer! :P


  • Hahaha :lol: Capitalist hard at work :wink:

  • '19 Moderator

    BIA = Bureau of Indian Affairs

    Contract fire fighters get payed to fight fires on a fire by fire basis. So they only get paid when there is a fire. Many of these people have other jobs, but I supose some of them depend on fires for income.

    He was a member of the White Mountain Apache Tribe, where the fire was started.

    As a side note when the fire was first noticed the Show Low Fire department, the only municiple dept. in the area, turned out to fight it but were denied access at first by the tribe because they didn’t want to have to pay them for working on a fire on reservation land. By the way, the White Mountain Apache Reservation WAS some of the most beautiful land in Arizona. (This may have brought out the other discution I started:) )


  • Ha, so how did they know it was that particular guy? By tracing the evidence? Or did somebody rat him out?

    “By the way, the White Mountain Apache Reservation WAS some of the most beautiful land in Arizona. (This may have brought out the other discution I started:) )”

    Being to Arizona only once, you might be right about that. But here in California, their land isn’t exactly what you call a “landscape view.” Or course, there have been recent allegations that the Natives themselves actually commit a lot to the land’s waste and pollution, which is partly the reason why it’s so despoiled. However, I can neither confirm nor deny that.

  • '19 Moderator

    I think it was a little of both. He actualy started two fires but the first on was put out before it got over an acre.


  • @dezrtfish:

    I think it was a little of both. He actualy started two fires but the first on was put out before it got over an acre.

    oh that hurts. my goodness. How did he ever not get killed by a piece of rope, or other shiny object when he was 12?
    how DUMB can a person be?
    FinsterniS - here is your argument against evolution.


  • Hahaha, good one CC.
    Don’t worry, at least this makes me looks my arguments against capitalism look good. 8)

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