Axis/Ally Win Loss Compile

[Jennifer]

Let me clarify a bit.  It has been my experience (and I’ve played this game about 50 times if you include only the online clubs DAAK, FoE, AAMC and AA.org) that the 1941 game comes down to a few factors:

1)  If Germany is at all hesitant in the first round, the axis tend to lose. (By hesitant I mean not going for the jugular against their chosen target whether it is taking out Russia or sinking the British fleet.)

2)  Egypt is irrelevant.  England can keep it for their first turn and it won’t affect the outcome of the game outside of how big Italy gets and when. (i prefer to strafe Egypt at least so that it cannot be defended against Italy.)

3)  Heavy Bombers or Long Range Aircraft at an inappropriate time can make a huge difference to the field of battle, but it won’t change the out come of the game, probably. (Because the other side is probably close to getting them or already has them by that point.)

4)  Paratroopers are just insanely strong.  There’s some short comings to them, but it’s more having to defend against them than any combat ability they poses inherently.

5)  If the dice go bad for Germany in round 1, it’s going to go really badly for the axis.  By badly I don’t mean you take heavy loses, I mean you get STOMPED.  Heavy losses you can recover from if you succeeded in most or all of your battles.  Heavy loses and failures (ie stomped) is a death knell.

[Heavy Deed]

Actually in that game, it all started with a Russian AA Gun in Round 4 with 100% accuracy against about a dozen German aircraft resulting in a loss for Germany in Moscow

whaaat?!?! :-o  get the front door…you rolled twelve ones? that is incredible!! that is pure luck and will never happen again in your lifetime!! :wink:

[Jennifer]

@Heavy:

Actually in that game, it all started with a Russian AA Gun in Round 4 with 100% accuracy against about a dozen German aircraft resulting in a loss for Germany in Moscow

whaaat?!?! :-o  get the front door…you rolled twelve ones? that is incredible!! that is pure luck and will never happen again in your lifetime!! :wink:

Yea, but it might happen again, remember, I was the one being shot down by the AA.  So you have to figure there’s about a 17% chance of it happening every time I attack an AA Gun. :)

[Heavy Deed]

are you saying that you roll an AA shot every round of combat when you play AA50?  hmmm…thats an old W@W rule. Did you adopt this as a house rule of yours?

[Jennifer]

No.  I’m saying I seem to have awful luck surviving AA Shots, this was just an extreme case.

I’ve gotten into the bad habit of just assuming I’ll lose half my fighters and half my bombers to AA Fire before I even start rolling the attack.

[a44bigdog]

That sounds familiar. It also seems the worse off you will be from a bad AA outcome the worse it will be.

I am surprised at your numbers Jenn as I am aware of two of the Allied victories. I will have to dig up mine from here latter tonight.

[Jennifer]

Yea, so was I.  I expected more allied victories, but those were the ones I saw.  As I said, though, some of the games shared the same thread so I might have missed a game (maybe two).  I don’t think I did, I went through the threads jumping 5 pages at a time (assuming if I saw Round 7 on one page and Round 3 on the other that the game changed, of course.)

[a44bigdog]

I think I managed to find all of mine that were played here. Some of these were with Jenn so there is an overlap of those data sets.

Axis=8
Allies=4

One of the Axis wins could have been an Allied win with a different outcome on 2 battles. Heck 1 dice roll in one of those battles could have resulted in an Allied win.

I did also note my 42 games. All 3 were Axis wins. I have another one of those in progress with Jenn that probably will result in an Allied win but that game is like the exception to every rule in Axis and Allies.

[tin_snips]

well, i’m glad this thread has finally proven that the '41 setup does not favour the allies at all. both sides can win, although it seems that the axis can get there a little easier

[I like Ike]

Not trying to say your wrong or stir up trouble tin_snip……But it seems to me that the Axis can get there a lot easier.  By Jenn’s numbers it’s 3-1 in favor, and by bigdog’s it’s 2-1, for the the Axis.  So if we factor that out to 100 games (I know big jump), that would work out to 75-25 and 66-33 in favor of the Axis.

[a44bigdog]

I am not that surprised at the Axis having a lead. I am just now starting to really flesh out some of my Allied strategies, while my Axis plans have been worked out for weeks.

What is truly troubling is the '42 scenario. I have played a few more of those that were not here and they were also Axis wins. The one game that is in progress that may result in an Allied win has seen Japan irrelevant for all intents and purposes since turn 3, England fall on turn 7, and the Russians get some nice dice luck in about turn 12 or so to stay alive.

I average about 3 games during the week offline. I will have to keep some notes on those as well.

[Unknown Soldier]

@Heavy:

Actually in that game, it all started with a Russian AA Gun in Round 4 with 100% accuracy against about a dozen German aircraft resulting in a loss for Germany in Moscow

whaaat?!?! :-o  get the front door…you rolled twelve ones? that is incredible!! that is pure luck and will never happen again in your lifetime!! :wink:

LOL. All 12 were 1’s huh? Riiight…  :roll:

That’s about a 1 in 46 BILLION chance. For reference, the odds of getting struck by lightning is only about 1 in 576,000. So, uh, don’t go golfing in the rain I guess.

[Unknown Soldier]

As for the original question, we’re seeing about 60-70% Axis wins in my group (I didn’t record the exact numbers). Playing with tech and NO’s, of course. The Allies are steadily getting better, however, as we’re discovering how to properly coordinate them. I suspect it will be very close to 50/50 once the Allied playout has been further optimized.

[tin_snips]

little easier, a lot easier - it doesn’t matter how you say it. both sides can win, but axis seems to win more often  8-)

[I like Ike]

@tin_snips:

little easier, a lot easier - it doesn’t matter how you say it. both sides can win, but axis seems to win more often  8-)

True….Fair enough.

[Comassion]

I’ve had 2 Axis victories and 2 Allied victories, both with NOs and tech.

[Richter von Manthofen]

Concerning AA fire - Once tried to bomb Germany into oblivion.

3 UK Bombers - 2 shot down - UK rolled 1 for damage
6 US bombers - 4 shot down - US rolled 3 for damage

you can say - sh it happens ;) - unfortunately (for the axis) the following German thrust to moscow saw a streak of 5+6s for germanys dice and the Allies kept rolling 1s… (habit of letting the attacker roll for AA fire ;))

[Nickwins89]

In my few games I’ve had without Tech and NOs:

Axis:4 games

Allies: None.

These games were really to get a feel for the game itself and work the kinks out.

[Jennifer]

@a44bigdog:

I am not that surprised at the Axis having a lead. I am just now starting to really flesh out some of my Allied strategies, while my Axis plans have been worked out for weeks.

What is truly troubling is the '42 scenario. I have played a few more of those that were not here and they were also Axis wins. The one game that is in progress that may result in an Allied win has seen Japan irrelevant for all intents and purposes since turn 3, England fall on turn 7, and the Russians get some nice dice luck in about turn 12 or so to stay alive.

I average about 3 games during the week offline. I will have to keep some notes on those as well.

But you got to admit that game has been the most fun of any game we’ve played in YEARS!

Usually a nation falls and it’s over.  Or the victor is determined well in advance and it’s just time and dice.  In this game Japan folded under to strong American play quickly (didn’t help that you made the mistake of having Italy retake China from Russia which drained Japan of funds.)  England was sucker punched by a Sea Lion in round 6.  And now it is Italy and Germany vs Russia (with some minor nuisance runs from America, which you more than make up for by paradropping infantry on Brazil every 5 rounds or so.)

[a44bigdog]

I admit it is probably the most fun game I may have ever played.

And all that is what really bothers me about '42. Japan was irrelevant after the loss of its main Navy that early and I think this really points out just how bad the balance is '42. If Japan was put in the same position in a '41 or AAR game the game would have ended weeks ago. Also I realized Japan was more or less toast as far as an offensive power and that is why Italy took India. I somewhat overlook England falling as far as having that big of an influence on the game because it was a decision of England or Russia for Germany.

I do need to play another game or two of the '42 scenario but so far with the exception of this game which I say again is like the exception to every rule in Axis and Allies have all been over relatively quickly and clearly Axis victories.