If America retakes Java…..

@BearXxx said in Re-America- Russia.:

Can America move units, from say Alaska too, Russia. ?

As long as either of them is neutral, they can’t. Once they are allied they can.

@PainState:

@Caesar:

I’ve lost ANZAC to Japan and US and I agreed not to waste the resources to liberate it and instead focus on invading Japan and I’ll take USSR and start liberating China.

Now this is an interesting tactic that Japan can do that we do not normally experience. It is not a new or awe inspiring plan of attack BUT it is borderline all or nothing.

Japan goes J1 DOW or J2 at the latest.

Japan Navy goes all in at ANZAC. Stages in the Caroline Islands, sets ups the Queensland invasion. Japan Army goes all in on the UK crush plan of attack and forgets about holding North China and pushes all south. The Japan navy needs to go all in to defend their ANZAC gains from the USA and force the USA to banzai attack with what ever navy they have.

By J5 ANZAC has fallen, perfect execution and ANZAC is out of the game on J4 and UK Pacific is on the ropes for a J6 conquest.

End of J7 and Axis claim victory and the Allied players sulk in the corner drinking their beer and wondering, what just happened? or they hit the forum and complain that J1 is total cheese and the rules need to be amended.

Except in our game, the Japanese made poor choices in the war. While Japan was knocking on India’s door in our game, I had China rolling excellent on defense so he wasn’t able to completely knock China out. Plus his northern fleets were very weak and US was in good position to conquer Japan and his southern fleet he used to attack ANZAC could in no way get up to Japan fast enough.

Maybe you should move this thread you hijacked to whatever game it belongs in…

@ozimek1:

knp7765 @
Interesting game report, but I don’t think we should evaluate this strategy based on a scenario where the invasion of France failed.

What about UK support to the US? Could that mess with the odds? I mean once the Germans land in C.US the UK should realize that they are off the hook. They could pump out quite a few units (tanks?) in Canada and send planes from the UK.

Should the Germans divert rosources to take out Quebec early to prevent this?

Yeah, I agree about the France part.  This scenario would have obviously went a lot better if Germany, and then Italy, hadn’t failed in taking France round 1.  I hope to try this again sometime in the future when hopefully our USA player has perhaps forgotten.
About UK support;  they did try building a few units in Quebec and moved everything they had to British Columbia due to the massive Japanese buildup in the Pacific.  However, for the first 2 rounds, they were scared of Sealion so did all their building right on London.  When the German fleet went to SZ 91 turn 3, both the US and UK players realized Germany was trying something new.  UK did build a few more units in Quebec to help out the US, but even with the US in such trouble, UK was pretty busy trying to get destroyers in the water to get rid of the German subs which were convoy raiding UK like crazy.  Plus, they put a couple of tanks in South Africa to deal with the Italians from Central Africa.

@Stefano1189:

India Crush? Did you play with monkeys? :-)

A veteran player can stop a naval J4 DOW, we made bloody battles and Japan advance in every global with slowness

How do you manage that?

Just to be clear, nobody said anything about alpha.  We’re talking about the official game?

The monkeys in my games tend to favour a strong Mediterranean attack over a strong Indian defense, but I think J4 vs India works either way - just a question of how much Japan loses.

A month or two ago I posted this strategy for Japan in AAR about taking the heat of Germany and taking the Mnr US VC in Nth America

@The:

A strategy employed to annoy the USA is to land units in Alaska and take the pressure of Germany so they can take Moscow. But why not take this one step further and focus on taking LA/San Fran?

This is an alternate Japanese strategy to that of the Moscow/Berlin race that is seen in most games. This could be taken over to global '40 but it would be a lot harder to preform. Also could be used for spring '42.

For this strategy to be implemented you will need to following things to have happened:

Allies play the standard KGF

No UK factory in india

No US factory in China/Sinkijiang

Here is the standard move for J1 on this strategy:

India capture with inf in FIC and Shanghai transport used to move inf from Shanghai to FIC and air support.
Move 2 inf from Japan to Shanghai with sz60 tran.
Build:
2 inf 6 Ipc
2 Art 8 ipc
2 Tran 16 ipc
total 30 ipc

Earned 33 Ipc

J2

Shanghai tran that will be close to FIC moved to sz 61 and move 2inf from Japan to Manchuria and move them into Shanghai.

You will have in:
Shanghai: 5 inf
Japan: 2inf, 3art,1 arm, 1 Bmr and maybe 1 fighter
India, FIC, Manchuria 2-3 inf and maybe 1 fighter in each

Build:
same as J1

Ipc earned 33 left over from buy 3 total 36

J3
Take china with air support 2-3 fighters and 5 inf in Shanghai
Only if no SU forces in it and 2-3 inf plus fighter in it.

Build
Same as J1

at the end of this turn you should have:
Japan: 4inf, 5art, 1arm
SZ60: 1bb, 6 tran

J4 this is the important turn

Invade Alaska with 3 tran carrying 1 inf + 1art each. Use your BB bombardment to kill the inf. If Alaska has to large a force in it use all 6 tran and take all units out of Japan or use your trans to shuck units onto the mainland and push for Moscow. You shoudn’t have to do this as Britain and the USA will be focussed on taking Berlin and preforming D-DAY.

After you have taken Alaska you will be earning 37 IPC per turn.
You have 36 IPC to spend

Buy
3 inf 9
2 art 8
2 tran 16
total 33

end turn IPC total 40

Japan: 4 INF, 4 ART, 1 ARM
SZ60: 5 tran
Alaska: 3 INF, 3 ART
SZ 63: 1 BB, 3 TRAN

J5

4 TRANS shuck 4 inf + art to Alaska
3 trans in sz63 return to sz 60

Build
4INF, 4 ART

12 ipc to do what you want with

earn the 37 plus what you didn’t spend

J6

same as J5 build and move 4art+inf to Alaska
Move 4 tran back to sz60 from 63

J7…
same as J6

when you have a big enough force probably J6 move units into Western Canada. Every NCM move units that landed in Alaska to WC and strike at LA and place build units into there and try and hold from the American counter. If succesful build up your force and strike at Washington. Even without taking Washington you will win as the US forces will be trying to take LA back from you and with Calcutta and LA under your control if you and Germany have lost no VC’s you have 8 if Germany take Lenningrad or Moscow you win if Playing LHTR. If not and going for 10 vc’s Germany should be able to take Moscow and win. If playing 12 you will attack Washington and Germany will attack London. You should still win with both of you sending forces through the former SU and through Africa to collect IPC for yourselves and take them from UK.

This seems easy in concept but is hard to pull off but if successful you will win easily. Because of its diffuclty to be successful players usually stay in Alaska/WC and threaten LA rather than attempt to take it.

I tried it in revised and pulled of the capture of LA but not Washington as Moscow had been weakened by a huge German force about 6 ing, 6 art, 30 arm against about 45 SU inf We also had leningrad and calcutta so we won with one to many VC’s (We played LHTR)The Uk and US 1-2 punch in France failed as the US had to try and retake two VC’s in one turn

I’m now going to try and attempt to convert this into a G40 strat while still taking China and Far eastern Russia.

We assume that Russia moves 18 inf into Bry

Also will only see pacific side of the board as what happens in Europe doesn’t affect it much except if US starts spending Money in the Pacific

J1 build
Mnr
2 tran
save 0

Attack
Hun and Yun with normal forces

Take Amu with forces in Korea and Man

Take Cha and Anh with forces in Jeh and Sha

Take FIC with forces in siam
Hun and Yun loses may be different to what I show. But thats ok as it doesn’t majorly affect the strat.

NCM
Fig For-Japan
Fig Okin-Japan
Inf Okin v/ tran Z20-19-20 -Ksi
DD,CV,Tact,Fig Z33-36
CC,DD,BB,SS Z19-36

Place
Mnr in Shanghai
2 tran Z6

Collect
33

Now some assumptions to be made
US retreats from Phil with fig to guam
2 inf v/tran to Z23
DD - Z23

It doesnt matter if US doesn’t retreat from Phil it will mean you will occur some loses though
Lets assume China takes back Yun and strengths its position

I have entered in some standard Brit and ANZAC moves.

J1 complete J2 coming soon
Jap KAF J1.AAM

@calvinhobbesliker:

Japan only has 5 more planes than at start

Yes because they have used what they had effectively and have other large naval presences. For instance a 7 strong destroyer fleet and haven broken through China, Russia and India… It has been a pain to be sure.

Found Reply#6 that refers to Canadian shield…i.e. operation Hollywood. They credit me and my friend for independently publishing it first :) Search for Hollywood.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=6090.0

I’m looking for the original on Avalon hills site if its still there…have to remember my password and old email address. I’ll post it in Revised if I find it…Kind of cool, people became serious about a KAF strategy.

EDIT:
Here is the AA50 plan I put on Board game geeks since you were curious. Its the third post.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/455961/what-is-next-to-mexico-on-the-other-side-of-the-bo

Here is a recollection of the original Hollywood plan, look at the bottom post by Iron Chef…my screen name on Avalon hill was Original_james back in 2004.

http://forum.rpg.net/archive/index.php/t-135650.html