@marechallannes:

@Blitchga:

As for what SZ I mean when you build out of Berlin I am talking about SZ 114. The transports can easily still get to London and are completely safe from attack until the SU enters the war which shouldn’t be happening if you decide to go after London.

We are talking about UK-strategies and possibilities to knock out german transports.

Does not matter if the transports go for Russia or UK.

But in SZ 114 the transports aren’t a danger for UK, but save from UK air strikes, that’s right.

Forget it. You are obviously not listening and so it doesn’t matter. Move on and if we ever play I will show you. I could spend time tearing apart your transport attacks or we can move on.

Look obviously this is not the post and if you don’t believe me then play me and do a non-defensive build and I will show you exactly what I mean. I have done it several times and know that it works. Stop putting it in with the “I am going to do sea lion no matter what” strategies as that is not what I said it was. I said that if UK does NOT defend itself then you can embarrass them by taking their capital.

on G1, However no one starts with NO income

I always have destroyers to regain control of the Atlantic. Germany (and even Italy can help in this) can build 2-4 subs a turn and easily wrestle the Atlantic away Britain and even delay the US if it is done right. If both Italy and Germany concentrate and some subs and strategic bombers they can virtually delay the US for turns after they enter the war. I wont go into details as I have written them down before.

As for what SZ I mean when you build out of Berlin I am talking about SZ 114. The transports can easily still get to London and are completely safe from attack until the SU enters the war which shouldn’t be happening if you decide to go after London.

@MarkVIIIMarc:

When i am Germany i expect to get pounded by the big three allies.  Now i launch all my offenses turn one and do invade Russia as soon as reasonable, hopefully G2, usually no later than G3. Russia just falls back soooo quickly.

This game has so many coastal territories for the allies to land in. Old games you cpuld build ten inf and a few fighters and hold France. Now its a counter attack game which i think helps their amphibious forces.

As Germany the trick is to expand to a viable economy then make it very costly and or slow for the allies to kill you. Japan is far away from achievable iniative stealing objectives. Just gotta wait for Japan to get India or create an imbalance someplace

I agree with the economy and that is precisely why I wait until G4 or usually G5 to attack the Soviets. Using cheap subs and men and artillery will give you the edge your looking for. Cheap units to combat the allied expensive ones. I have never seen an early attack on the Soviet Union go well as they can easily push Germany back if Germany is unprepared…

@marechallannes:

I try to get the control of North Sea/North Atlantic as soon as possible.

_(You don’t need bombers to reach less/non escorted German transport builds in SZ 113

Buy a CV in SZ 110 and send the figthers.

Sunk 3 german transports last game.)_

of course however if three transports were built off Berlin you cannot get those ones. As well if UK has put enough planes into London to be able to build two carriers and get through the German battleship and cruiser then the UK player has not been silly and I do not need to embarrass them. I am not saying this is what I do to a UK player who does not defend London but rather one who does something other than maximize defenses on UK1.

@calvinhobbesliker:

I assume you build a Tr, inf, and tank in Quebec a turn? Does this start after US enters war?

Sort of I try to get two transports going and then I simply build two infantry for the transports and a destroyer a turn (IPC permitting as the 3 units for the Unions of South Africa are more important)

I will also take the transport that is in Canada and immediately move to take Brazil on UK2. I find that two IPC and 3 infantry to be much more useful for the UK player than the US, especially since the US has to wait until war has been declared to take Brazil.

@calvinhobbesliker:

Okay then. UK builds 2 bmrs. Now your BB and CC and transports are threatened with 3 ftrs, 2 bmrs. French CC remains in Z112 as a blocker. If you build ships to defend, that’s less transports you can build. Alternatively, I can build 1 bmr, 5 inf and move the tac to UK, threatening it with 3 ftr, tac, bmr.

The fighters and tactical do not have the range to attack until the turn that the German fleet moves out to take London on G3? You also wont have a carrier to block with as the German luftwaffe and sub force would hunt or push away away any naval blocking units.

In order to be back on topic, I tend to build up cruisers and a destroyer for the Atlantic which will move to the coast of Morocco on the turn that the US is about to move their allowing the US and UK to combine fleets against the Germany and/or Italian counter attack. I then try to bring 2 land units from Canada a turn into Morocco. I will also make sure that I can place 3 land units into Union of South Africa, most often a tank, a man and an artillery. Occasionally I will also put a minor factory into Persia as well.

As soon as I can I will build the Strategic bomber force in London to two bombers in order to keep German fighters out west to defend the factories, naval and air bases that I bomb every turn. If I can I will send my fighter escorts to force Germany to have even more fighters.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Blitchga:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Blitchga:

@calvinhobbesliker:

Mine is as follows(Assuming Alpha Setup):
UK1 buys 2 tanks and 2 DDs.
Attack Taranto, take Ethiopia with inf and art from India and inf from Sudan plus bombardment. Activate Persia with Z98 transport. Retreat all alex forces to Egypt and put the ANZAC inf as a blocker in Alex, especially if the Taranto transport survives. Move infs to Rhodesia and build 2 tanks SAF, 2 DD off Canada

A smart Germany and Italian player have just taken your capital. If I see the UK build anything less than 9 land units in London AND if they do not bring the carrier and destroyer north to home waters then I will respond by building enough transports on G2 with all my extra cash and laugh as London can only bolster themselves with 10 land units before I take their capital. If they block well then Italy can easily take out a destroyer, cruiser or whatever block they have surviving after G2. (Italy in our games tends to almost always build a fighter on I1)

UK buy of less than 9 land units on UK1 and a failure to bring as much available fleet to the north Atlantic is a good recipe for a German occupied London.

I am well aware of Sealion. However, if you build a carrier, I automatically build 9 ingf in London. if you do not, I will attack your BB and CC if they’re in Z112 or if they’re in Z113(which means some of my fleet has survived), I can bloack it on UK1 or 2, depending on the situation

I don’t think you understood my build as Germany. Why build a carrier it is a waist. I can simply build the transports on G2 and then attack London on G3, the carrier most people build on G1 is just a waste of funds.

Okay. Where do you build your transports? If in Z112, I sink them(even if you move the BB and CC there). If in Z113 with the BB, CC, my CC in Z112 survived and is retreated for use as a counter or left there to block

They are left in the Baltic in SZ 113. Your right you can block on G2. I have no intention of attacking on G2, I simply throw the transports in the water on G2. Then on UK2 they respond by building 10 units in London and blocking, (if any ships are left after G2, G2 is when you finish off any navy in the North Atlantic). If somehow they still have a ship to block before G3 then Italy on I2 can take it out with its 3 fighters, clearing the way to London from SZ113. It is the perfect way to keep UK honest as they will only allow it to happen to them once. It is perfect as well because UK thinks that you are going all Soviet front when you buy a major factory or all land troops on G1 and push towards the Soviet border. Then if the UK did not go hard defense in London you respond with the transports and moving your troops back to the west and taking London since the UK player can only add 10 units to London’s defenses.