Desperate for a good German Strategy!

[FreeTheSlaves]

I know it is a bit lame replying to myself but regarding those odds…

It does not look pretty attacking Karalia if it is stacked with 19inf, 3rm and 2 ftr with 9inf, 7arm and no airforce. That assumes RR.

The Ukraine foray is only feasible if Russia took heavier than expected losses seizing it and even then if Germany takes heavy losses in the spoiler attack, those Russian armour are likey still intact.

A G2 spoiler against Karalia, assuming R2 took out Fin/Nor with 3arm, 3inf and 2ftr still leaves Karalia very strong. I’d think R would have moved all but one remaining inf from Ukraine, raised another 5-8 (some of that could be arm) and got the english ftrs. All in all that’s about 25inf & 4ftr. Or 10hits/7 hits/4 hits with a reserve in Fin/Nor.

I think the spoiler attacks should start only if R is silly or once Japan starts putting pressure on Moscow.

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

Any attack launched at Karelia is only to take out several of the Russian infantry. The idea is to eventually gain infantry superiority in order to make the assault more feasible as Japan gains Russian territory in the East.

[kyrial]

Any attack launched at Karelia is only to take out several of the Russian infantry. The idea is to eventually gain infantry superiority in order to make the assault more feasible as Japan gains Russian territory in the East.

Exactly… and Russia cannot attack unless the superiority is huge on their part because of a complete lack of offensive minded units. Just because they can get 20 INF into a territory doesn’t mean they can do anything but sit there with them.

[MysticalRommel]

do not build inf. it is a waste of money if you plan to go on the defensive from the beginning you might as well not play build tanks if it is russia restricted attack Russia 1st turn if it is not RUssia restricted attack RUssia 1st turn to win the war Russia must be destroyed befor America gets to Strong!

[Guest]

(1) Infantry is a better unit than tanks. There are some web pages around doing alot of statistics and evaluation.
(2) Please, use pnctuation. It hurts to read your posts without any full stop or comma.

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

@MysticalRommel:

do not build inf. it is a waste of money if you plan to go on the defensive from the beginning you might as well not play build tanks if it is russia restricted attack Russia 1st turn if it is not RUssia restricted attack RUssia 1st turn to win the war Russia must be destroyed befor America gets to Strong!

If RR, the odds against a German win are pretty high, and also assume (if I remember right, taking fighters as a loss, major don’t) and if not RR, then Russia is most likely going to have done something that will have made the attack on Karelia unfeasable anyway.

[C_F]

Falk is right about the infantry. It is not Germanys job to destroy Russia it is their job to keep the allies occupied while Japan gets huge. Buy lots of infantry and keep Russia weak, but don’t try to march into Moscow until Japan has taken most of asia.

[MysticalRommel]

no ifantry is a wate of money tanks are the way of victory

[Guerrilla Guy]

@MysticalRommel:

no ifantry is a wate of money tanks are the way of victory

Depends… I have seen the all tank strat fall apart because Germany is encumbered with Sea and Land problems in the Med and Atlantic as well as Africa… You are not seeing what the I nfantry are for… 11 Infantry 2 nd Turn fortifying E europe is a nice mix when the rest is Armor… plenty of cannon fodder for Offense and Defense… Plus if W. Europe needs Fortification, Why was 5 IPC’s rather than 3…

GG

[cystic crypt]

The whole “inf vs. tanks” diversion is somewhat pointless.
A good German player will purchase and use an appropriate combination of armor and inf. If not, they will find their armor quickly depleted by a hit-and-run style allied defense. All territory that they take will be at a significanly inflated price (3 for the price of 5). Let’s say i have 2 russian infantry on Ukraine. You attack it with 2 arm, no inf. Furthermore, let’s let you have it with no losses. I can take out both tanks with 2 inf and 2 ftrs, losing 1-2 inf. You lost 10 ipcs in arm (gained 3 for UKR). I lost 6 ipcs in inf (gained 3 for UKR). I would happily exchange 6 ipcs for 10 with germany all game, especially considering that the allies tend to have an income of roughly 85 to axis of roughly 70 for much of the game.
your odds here suck, my friend.

[MysticalRommel]

the stastics are stacked against me I agree but Germany must be very aggresive if not it shall be destroyed this is not only the way it was in reality (as soon as germanies expansions stopped it ended) but countless games inf I still find are a wast airforce and tanks

[cystic crypt]

@MysticalRommel:

the stastics are stacked against me I agree but Germany must be very aggresive if not it shall be destroyed this is not only the way it was in reality (as soon as germanies expansions stopped it ended) but countless games inf I still find are a wast airforce and tanks

really, it can be only so aggressive.
A third turn “aggressive” Germany will be shredded by a 1-2-3 allied punch.
Discretion, my friend, is the better part of valor.

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

but countless games inf I still find are a wast airforce and tanks

If I can interpret this the way it should have been typed: Not only content to advocate purchasing only tanks, you now suggest adding air to that? If we’re still talking about Germany, there’s no way they can be adding air to their forces in the early game, and besides, their starting Luftwaffe should be plenty.