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I don’t get this whole “i’ve joined the army so now life will be sweet” b-s. If i were to join the army, i would have the expectation of being sent anywhere, asked to kill anyone, and expected to risk my life constantly. If you don’t have this expectation, then you are looking for a sweet little desk job/MASH tent.
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CC, where are you getting this “ive joined the army so now my life will be sweet?” where is that coming from? to my knowledge, it hasnt been said in this thread, so it seems to be completely random. if your reffering to the comments about the army being a opportunity to escape poverty and get a good education, it is not b-s, and it is also not “ive joined the army so now my life will be sweet”. If you enlist, the army will pay for you to go to college either after or during your term (im not sure about the specifics) and then you may or may not have to serve another term (again, not sure about the specifics, but no one forced you to join)
Im sure its the same in the other branches (i know its the same for the marines, not sure about the navy or airforce, but i cant imagine why it would be different)
Likewise, going to either West Point, or one of the Acadamies (either Navy or Air Force), which are very well respected colleges, you will get a free education (monetarily free, they actually pay you a basic “salary” which covers tuition and your basic needs for the school, i.e. books, computer, etc.) afterwards, you are required to serve in the army for i believe 5 years, but you are a commissioned officer (2nd Grade Lieutenant), and you can go to graduate school on the Army’s dime. This is your chance to get a good education. You can argue about the quality of any education from any American college or University, but one from West Point is among the best you will recieve from anywhere in the country, and those from the Naval and Air Force academies are among the best technical educations you can recieve (math and science oriented)
As for escaping poverty, the salary for someone in the army is not bad, and if you stay long enough to retire, you get a guaranteed, decent pension. so while you wont live it up on a cushy army salary, you certainly arent poverty stricken on one. -
CC, where are you getting this “ive joined the army so now my life will be sweet?” where is that coming from? to my knowledge, it hasnt been said in this thread, so it seems to be completely random. if your reffering to the comments about the army being a opportunity to escape poverty and get a good education, it is not b-s, and it is also not “ive joined the army so now my life will be sweet”. If you enlist, the army will pay for you to go to college either after or during your term (im not sure about the specifics) and then you may or may not have to serve another term (again, not sure about the specifics, but no one forced you to join)
Im sure its the same in the other branches (i know its the same for the marines, not sure about the navy or airforce, but i cant imagine why it would be different)
Likewise, going to either West Point, or one of the Acadamies (either Navy or Air Force), which are very well respected colleges, you will get a free education (monetarily free, they actually pay you a basic “salary” which covers tuition and your basic needs for the school, i.e. books, computer, etc.) afterwards, you are required to serve in the army for i believe 5 years, but you are a commissioned officer (2nd Grade Lieutenant), and you can go to graduate school on the Army’s dime. This is your chance to get a good education. You can argue about the quality of any education from any American college or University, but one from West Point is among the best you will recieve from anywhere in the country, and those from the Naval and Air Force academies are among the best technical educations you can recieve (math and science oriented)
As for escaping poverty, the salary for someone in the army is not bad, and if you stay long enough to retire, you get a guaranteed, decent pension. so while you wont live it up on a cushy army salary, you certainly arent poverty stricken on one.do i even bother???
this point was just related to people in the army who complain that life isn’t fun all the time. It was an exaggerated . . . ahh why bother.
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<applause>I was wondering who the first one would be. Kudos.</applause>
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@TG:
If my impression is correct you are right about the chance to escape poverty and the chance to get a decent education, but shouldn’t everyone have a chance to get a decent education without joining the army ?
Anybody can get a decent secondary education as long as they try and work hard for one (finanical aid, scholarships, student loans). However, the ROTC just means your getting an entirerly paid college education, plus stending money. It’s great when you don’t want to leave college finding yourself thousands of dollars in debt in return for service to your country. Everyone has a chance for a decent education, it’s all a matter of in what form you want to give back.
OK, I am not American so I don’t know exactly how your system works. From what a friend in New Jersey have told me getting a good education in the US is expensive.
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Yes, it can very expensive (especially if you intend to go out of state or at a private university), but it is still accessable to everyone (and the least of all in loans). But for the military, you pay the government back in service, not in money.
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What if the banks do not consider you trustworthy enough for a loan? Will the Uni give one then? Or better: where do the loans come from, in general?
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F_alk,
what you heard or read is only part of what we got in the US. Many reasons were givenfor the Iraq move, but the media and oppenents of the action act as if only one point was made.me_,
during the American Civil War the original activations were for short terms, but were lengthened as needed. I believe that some measures were also taken during the American Revolutionary War to ‘encourage the minutemen to continue the fight.’ Governments make mistakes… be it Czarist Russia, Napolean’s France, Nazi Germany, the Chinese Dynasties, the Roman Empire or the current US Administration. -
What if the banks do not consider you trustworthy enough for a loan? Will the Uni give one then? Or better: where do the loans come from, in general?
This is almost impossible. Almost any Uni will give you a student loan (depending on what your academic qualifications are), which are more preferable than other loans, while grants and scholarships will cover a lot of areas as well.
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@F_alk:
What if the banks do not consider you trustworthy enough for a loan? Will the Uni give one then? Or better: where do the loans come from, in general?
why is the banks not considering one trustworthy enough for a loan a problem? If i could not trust someone - why would i give them money?
In Canada, the Canada student loans program is such that everyone with a legitimate need gets money for education. Granted, it is not a country-club living situation, and the amount/conditions that they give requires a certain equity level (or lower), however the whole loans program is set up only by need. If you have, you don’t get. Trustworthyness does not really enter into it (unless you told them you had no intention of ever giving the money back, or using it to build a nuclear missle - see Steven Wright). -
@cystic:
Trustworthyness does not really enter into it (unless you told them you had no intention of ever giving the money back, or using it to build a nuclear missle - see Steven Wright).
What did Steven Wright say about it?
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yea, few students get there loans for college from banks. it is usually from a scholarship (which actually wouldnt be a loan), the college/university itself, or a student aid group (there are a number of them, not sure if thats the actual term for them)
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Also the interest rates are much lower for student loans.
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Thanks for all the info on how a student in the US and Canada finances his studies… but now back to topic:
how long will TB be able to stay in power, now that it is clear that he knew of the “sexing up” and that orders to do so came from his office?
see:
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Give it more time, and we’ll know the truth of the whole matter.
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laughs Falk concerned with staying on topic? black is white, night is day…
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