I accept your peace frenchman, and your humble surrender.
:P
We are brothers after-all! :D
The correct term for moi is ‘culturalist’.
What is the UN? What's it Doing? US Remain & Pay for it?
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I’m not surprised that very few UN soldiers have died. Those are the soldiers which are sent on “peacekeeping” missions afterwards, to keep the people civilized. Who are the soldiers which actually have to win the fighting before those guys can go in? The United States. They’re the one’s who do the fighting.
Send some UN soldiers into front-lines combat and we’ll see if you still claim a low casualty rate.
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D:S this doesn’t happen that often either. I don’t think you understand the concept of “UN Peacekeepers”.
Contrary to popular opinion, the US does not intervene in every skirmish around the world. The UN wouldn’t want them too. The UN basically tries, via diplomatic means, to decrease the fighting between two countries. They then send in troops to police the area - not to fight everyone at once, or anything like that. It’s not often that the US goes in to kill everyone before the peacekeepers begin their mission. If this happened, the UN peacekeepers would get nothing done. They would have no credibility, their peacekeepers would be brutalized by the people they would be trying to help, and life, in general, would suck for them.
Sarejavo, which you might be thinking about, was a NATO affair and to begin with. The peacekeepers mostly prevent Croatian and Muslin reprisals and keep the weapons numbers down. -
Guys, I understand what you’re saying, and I agree with you!
What i’m saying is that WHEN there IS fighting to be done, it’s most likely going to fall to the responsibility of the US to provide the most military.
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As I just said
the UN is not a military organization.
It never has been, it never will be. However, there are UN peacekeepers and representatives in more places than you’d think. Pick any Civil War in Africa, and you’ll find UN soldiers there. Theres thousands of Peacekeepers on the Ivory Coast. Theres a lot in Asia, mainly in Pakistan/India, trying to prevent a war, and in Nepal. The UN has done a lot since the Cold War ended.
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I didn’t say it was a military organization!
For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?
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And Korea… And Vietnam… but what matter does it make? :-?
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It matters becuase I think that people are too critical of the United States for only one aspect of membership in the United Nations.
We may pay our dues late, but I’m saying that we compensate for that by risking the lives of our American troops in defense of countries all over the world, for encounters such as you listed above. No other country even comes close to shipping the amount of soldiers that we do, and UN conflict or not, our soldiers are fighting for everyone.
So I think people need to lay off, and think about what really matters.
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We may pay our dues late, but I’m saying that we compensate for that by risking the lives of our American troops in defense of countries all over the world, for encounters such as you listed above. No other country even comes close to shipping the amount of soldiers that we do, and UN conflict or not, our soldiers are fighting for everyone
Uh, compare the amount US has to pay to all other countries. That’s A LOT of money. 300,000+ million a year?
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Yea, something like that. Kind of ironic, huh?
Our government taxes the hell out of the richest people in our country, and then the UN taxes the hell out of the richest country in the world.
What goes around comes around. :D
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I wonder how much Saddam pays each year…
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Quite a bit probably :)
You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
There are barely any US soldiers in the UN ranks. Let me put it into perspective. There are more Malay soldiers than US soldiers.
When have US Soldiers died? In US wars.
The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.
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The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.
And who’s fault was this.
You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.
Yes, unprovoked wars should never be handled by the UN. Sure… :roll:
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
How so?
Quite a bit probably
I think total not yearly Saddam has paid 300,000.
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Korea… And Vietnam…
and TG, you said it in reply to…
For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?
He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.
Kuwait was a joint military effort by 50something countries. Who put most of the ground forces in there? The US, French, and Saudis. Who put most of the airpower in there? The US, British, and the Saudis.
The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do. The British Airforce flew incredibly risky missions to take out Iraqi Fighters, and many were shot down. The French led the assault against an elite, entrenched, Republican guard. The Americans were faced against thousands of armored opponents.
Vietnam and Korea are two entirely different things. Korea was a war launched upon us, by North Korea. We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively. It wasn’t a UN matter, and it was solved.
Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.
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He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.
No, forces from other nations served in Korea and Vietnam. But you’re right about the majority.
The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do.
Who says so? That would be like saying, “US funds the entire UN.” This would be wrong, though they found the most of any country in it.
We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively.
We won? :)
Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.
Tell me, how did the Vietnam war actually start? Minimal casualties showed that the US military did an outstanding job in trainning. Perhaps the more casualties the better?
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
How so?
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We won?
Korea :)
Tell me, how did the Vietnam war actually start? Minimal casualties showed that the US military did an outstanding job in trainning. Perhaps the more casualties the better?
No, my point is Vietnam was a folly, but we didn’t pay the incredible price for it that a lot of people make it out to be. The Vietnameese were the ones who really got hit hard by the war. A Million soldiers dead, no telling how many civilians died. Their country in ruins.
How did it start? French Imperialism.
How so?
Back up, someone was talking about how the UN did nothing in Korea or Vietnam. That means the UN should of helped us out in our wars. Under that logic, the UN should of helped Russia in it’s war in Afganistan.
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Back up, someone was talking about how the UN did nothing in Korea or Vietnam. That means the UN should of helped us out in our wars.
Who said this?
Korea
Boundry lines pretty much stayed the same.
How did it start? French Imperialism.
No disputing that.
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D:S said it.
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back to the original premise - of US soldiers dying in UN peacekeeping missions.
i don’t know about the numbers, but very few soldiers die in these missions. Also most countries contribute many soldiers to these. The vast bulk of Canada’s military is involved in UN-related peacekeeping missions (true, a few have died, but i believe that they saved the lives of a great many more people). The wars that Americans tend to die in are American initiated wars ('cept for Somalia - ouch).
Korea and Vietnam - not going to touch those. Canada actually did contribute soldiers to these wars (believe it or not - more Canadians fought in Vietnam than Americans came to Canada to dodge the draft). -
'cept for Somalia - ouch
There were a lot of other places… but they weren’t made into movies :)
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