Bush's new "Snoop" Executive act

[cystic crypt]

@Deviant:Scripter:

@Anonymous:

@Deviant:Scripter:

If everything goes as planned, we’ll replace Saddam with a more democratic leader, and hopefully bring their country out of the crap-hole they’re in now.

There exists a plan for a post-saddam era ???
That’s news to me!

Last time I checked, we haven’t started attacking Iraq yet, have we?

@Yanni:

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we’ll replace Saddam with a more democratic leader

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very democratic

I don’t understand.

When I say “we”, I’m referring to us Americans.

exactly. America replacing the head of a foreign sovereign nation is not the most democratic way of defining a country’s leadership, regardless of the type of government America fantasizes about having herself.
Maybe the correct phrasing would be "Americans will have Saddam killed/arrested/assassinated and will work with the UN to insure that a democratic process is involved in electing the next leader of Iraq (to ultimately be destroyed by the Iraqi military/assassinated by the US for not falling in line with American policy etc).

[DeviantScripter]

@cystic:

Maybe the correct phrasing would be "Americans will have Saddam killed/arrested/assassinated and will work with the UN to insure that a democratic process is involved in electing the next leader of Iraq (to ultimately be destroyed by the Iraqi military/assassinated by the US for not falling in line with American policy etc).

Do you think it’s just the American’s that find Saddam undesirable and view him as an extreme threat? C’mon, don’t be so naive. We’re just the only country with the balls to do something about it.

You’re absolutely correct. If we don’t like who the democracy votes into office (example: the leader makes bad decisions, and poses a threat through the use of biological, nuclear, chemical and/or terrorist connections.) we probably will take him out of office, but I don’t think it will come to that point. The situation will be similar to Afganhistan, in which the US appoints a leader that is acceptable with all parties involved. Hopefully this will serve as an example to other dictators, and hopefully they’ll make wiser decisions in the future.

[Guest]

@Deviant:Scripter:

We’re just the only country with the balls to do something about it.

american self justification: If you stand isolated, call everyone else cowards! Never admit that you could be wrong, as americans are never wrong!

You’re absolutely correct. If we don’t like who the democracy votes into office (example: the leader makes bad decisions, and poses a threat through the use of biological, nuclear, chemical and/or terrorist connections.) we probably will take him out of office, but I don’t think it will come to that point. The situation will be similar to Afganhistan, in which the US appoints a leader that is acceptable with all parties involved.

american definition of democracy:
democracy is good for the american people. If it is outside the USA it still has to be good for the american people.

that remembers me of the american definition of patriotism:
patriotism is good, except for people who are not US-americans.

If you want to avoid double standards, then don’t use them yourself: You are the superpower, whatever you do must therefore be correct. You use double standards, the use of double standards therefore is legitimate. You don’t want double standards used against you……
wise wise all-knowing citizen of the superpower, help me, i don’t understand how that works!

[Yanny]

Deviant, you arent thinking of how the world works. Sure, we put a leader in Afganistan, a very American friendly leader, but not one good for the Afgani people. We are going to do the same thing in Iraq. And there still has not been a vote in Afganistan, this guy’s term is long up.

[DeviantScripter]

@F_alk:

american self justification: If you stand isolated, call everyone else cowards! Never admit that you could be wrong, as americans are never wrong!

Who said we’re never wrong? I can lay out plenty of mistakes that America has made. IMO: We’re not wrong in this instance. Oh well, I guess everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, and debating this is what’s fun. :P

@F_alk:

american definition of democracy:
democracy is good for the american people. If it is outside the USA it still has to be good for the american people.

Not neccessarily. It just can’t pose a threat to the American people. There’s a big difference.

@F_alk:

that remembers me of the american definition of patriotism:
patriotism is good, except for people who are not US-americans.

That’s cute. I wish I would have thought of this one. Too bad it’s not true… :cry:

@F_alk:

If you want to avoid double standards, then don’t use them yourself: You are the superpower, whatever you do must therefore be correct. You use double standards, the use of double standards therefore is legitimate. You don’t want double standards used against you……
wise wise all-knowing citizen of the superpower, help me, i don’t understand how that works!

I’m sorry F_alk, double standards are a part of American life. They teach them to us starting in Kindergarten. It’s the basic essence of American life for which we all make decisions based upon. :lol:

I love hearing people from other countries comment on decisions that American’s make. These make the best posts. :wink:

[TG Moses VI]

@Yanny:

Deviant, you arent thinking of how the world works. Sure, we put a leader in Afganistan, a very American friendly leader, but not one good for the Afgani people. We are going to do the same thing in Iraq. And there still has not been a vote in Afganistan, this guy’s term is long up.

Actually, the Afghani people don’t really hate their elected president, Hamid Karzai. I am assuming that he is much better than the previous Taliban government, and that they respect the man (of course this is speculation and what I’ve read in the news). But look at it this way, if they hated him, he would’ve been assassinated by now. The main disagreement is from the tribal warlords, who fear having their power and influence taken away.

american definition of democracy:
democracy is good for the american people. If it is outside the USA it still has to be good for the american people.

And if not for democracy, then what?

that remembers me of the american definition of patriotism:
patriotism is good, except for people who are not US-americans.

Not true! Sometimes I wish it was, but other ethnicities show their pride in America and outside of it.

[Guest]

@F_alk:

american definition of democracy:
democracy is good for the american people. If it is outside the USA it still has to be good for the american people.

@Deviant:Scripter:

Not neccessarily. It just can’t pose a threat to the American people. There’s a big difference.

@TG:

And if not for democracy, then what?

@DS: you would rather support a dictator, that poses no threat to the USA than a democracy that does?
@TG: what do you mean with that?

@DS:

I’m sorry F_alk, double standards are a part of American life. They teach them to us starting in Kindergarten. It’s the basic essence of American life for which we all make decisions based upon.

Interesting: HFW is always complaining that we put double standards on you USies.

[TG Moses VI]

@TG: what do you mean with that?

Just merely wondering what you want to replace democracy in other countries other than the US.

[Yanny]

I never said he was worse than the Taliban (which isn’t easy) I did say he isn’t a democratic minded leader with Afgani interests in mind.

[Guest]

@TG:

@TG: what do you mean with that?

Just merely wondering what you want to replace democracy in other countries other than the US.

So, that would have been a question for DS and not for me then !

I don’t want to replace democracy anywhere, regardless of wether that one country will then oppose mine or not, as long as they are democratic, it’s their will… if they hate me, they will have a reson for that. I have to find that one, and work together with them (a thing where the US governments are not at their best, not at all!), so that we can resolve our problems together…

[TG Moses VI]

Well, I don’t see any democratic governments in the world (at least not fascist states under the “guise” of being democratic governments) that really “hate” the US government. There’s plenty to gripe about, but I’m not sure anything to hate or justify terrorist acts on our country (when will people ever learn? the weakness of the government is to take over the government). Also, it is not so easy to work problems out (maybe reach some sort of compromise - which America gov. is good at), due to special interest and conflicting humanitarian/economic views. But we are trying! :P

[Yanny]

Many Government oppose us quite a bit in Foreign Policy. France and Germany for example. Russia isn’t exactly Buddy-Buddy with our friends either.

[TG Moses VI]

And you don’t think we oppose them too? But so far, no hate crimes have been committed or buildings exploded. I say that would be Democracy at work.