• I can’t remember when exactly he blundered relying on a fake british map. what I can remember was that when he was in france (washe the in command of the 10th panzer division? I can’t remember) he was the ghost division, because his superior intelligence compared to the french. it was less of a “sixth sense” and more of a “wow, we found out about a bridge the french didn’t blow up.” He endedup behind the french lines this way. In Egypt, the british used mass d eception to hurt rommel’s military intelligence, and they were already breaking german code. Rommel’s superior military intelligence was out done, and he was sent reeling back in africa.


  • Well a big part as to why Rommel lost out in Africa was the overwhelming Allied Naval and Air Cover. These two make piecemeal of Rommel’s supply lines.


  • i’m not sure if you said this earlier but he was one of the few german commanders not guilty of any war crimes and he died by swalloing a cianide pill on his way to meet hitler ware he would have been probalble exicuted.


  • Man, Field Marshal, thanks for the insight on Rommel. This stuff is very interesting…

    As far as Rommel being “arrogant”–he was a General. They’re all “arrogant” to the extent that they believe they are going to win and that the thousands of lives in their hands are safe (or at least, well-spent). Look at Montgomery, or especially MacArthur!

    You can’t knock Rommel’s acheivements in Africa, you just can’t. The strategy of ALL British Generals there in every campaign of WWII was to mass the HUGEST force they could, with the most overwhelming superiority in numbers and stick it to the Germans. that Rommel was able to survive at all (let alone invade Egypt) is a testament to his genius…

    Ozone27


  • Well unlike the British and Russians, German military doctrine did not express the overwhelming need for numbers. I think it was Guardin (spell check, but he was the guy who invented the blitzkreig tactics) who once said, “5 tanks right now is better than 10 tanks 30 minutes minutes from now.” I know it was something like that. (He was referring for the need to strike quickly and efficiently)


  • Guderian was a goddam genious. Hitler stopped using him when he got “sick” after the failed operation tyfun, and then he was used in 44. that was 3 years without their best general.

    i wonder what happened to him after the war…

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    He was captured by yhe Americans on 10 May 1945. After the war he returned to Germany. He later wrote an autobiography and eventualy died in 1954 when he was 76.


  • oh yeah…he blamed hitler for diverting forces to kiev.


  • Ah that’s nice. Even though Guderian was fighting on the wrong side, you have to admire anybody who could formulate tactics like his and have them be so successful. Thank God he wasn’t captured by the Russians. Lord knows what they would’ve done with him.

    Bottom line: Hitler was a jerk that didn’t listen to information given by Generals who actually knew who to do their jobs correctly. He probably helped the allies win the war more then anyone else.


  • you got to hand it to Hitler… when he took full control of army group B during operation blue he did a lot of great things…not!!!

    Hitler was a drug addict control freak. He should of never ran a war. Ironically, the allies called off an assassinnation (spelling, sorry) attempt, becuase they knew hitler was running his country into the ground.


  • Anybody who marries their own niece and then commits suicide has to be a whack job. Of course there are some doubts if Hitler really died and the body the Russians found really wasn’t his…


  • he married Eva Braun, not his neice, but he was planning to marry his neice Geli Raubal, and she supposedly committed suicide after a fight with hitler. Word was that she was embarrassing (bad spelling) Hitler, and so she was murdered.

    Hitler probably killed himself, he was dying already from natural sicknesses and those induced by his drug habits. he might of gave himself Parkinsans Disease! (more bad spelling…) so even if he was out of Berlin, he might of died on the trip down to his house in the mountains. Finding the fake bodies, and not knowing where the ashes to the real one is, is suspicious though.


  • From what I read there are still pieces of Hitler’s skull still hidden with Soviet Vaults. But beyond that, who knows? I was thinking with the fall of the USSR, more information would surface, but so far, there hasn’t been much word. There have been several reports of Hitler sightings, and that the Russians merely made up Hitler’s body to bring some closure to Stalin, who had this obsession about Hitler.

    BTW: Thanks Flying Wing for the correction. My memory is still a little fuzzy about Hitler since I don’t really study that jerk.


  • oh no problem…

    parts of his skull? Hitler was such a mess of a man, i don’t know how far he would of got if he didn’t kill himself.


  • Having a bomb go off under your a$$ doesn’t help much either…

    Ozone27


  • Yeah, too bad it didn’t kill the madman.


  • i don’t know. how many men would die if civil war insued between the SS and main army?


  • Well if all the SS were deployed on the frontlines, then how would they know of Hitler’s death? Then you have the homeguard SS, but they were merely a police force. Another fact is that a lot of the SS didn’t like Hitler either and were willing to swtich sides if it was to their advantage.


  • True, but if the army took control, they could of ran the war more efficiently.


  • Part of the decision not to assassinate Hitler, which would have been EASY, was based on fear of retaliation. This was due to what happened after they did assassinate a German officer and the Germans massacred something like 5000 innocent civilians in retaliation. Plus they weren’t sure that it would have worked out better for them if someone else ran Germany instead of Hitler.

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