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Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?
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Well, India had a population of 400 millions in 1939, and Canada had only 7 millions, so its only logical that India is the main contributor. I know some canucks here dont like to hear that, but my country Norway contributed a lot more to the allied war effort than Canada, without being recognized for that, so I say stop whining.
I’m sorry, but what are you talking about? I understand the point about India and how it is illogical to allow Canada to become a power in the context of this board game, but i wouldn’t compare the contributions to that of Norway.
Its army of 50000 managed to hold the Germans back for roughly 3 months but only with the assistance of over 150000 British and french troops. Then when the government capitulated approximately 50000 citizens joined the Axis armies in a variety of fields from the Luftwaffe to the Kriegsmarine. The majority chose to join the Waffen SS, and ended up fighting the Russians on the eastern front.
Now the last time I checked, if your fighting against somebody, your not helping them. Now i may admit to being bias, as I am a Canuck and its true I cannot find statistics for Canadians joining axis armies, but I have a gut feeling that there will be less than 50000. Also add in the resources, aircraft, troops, ships and other goodies (i.e. maple syrup) that we helped supply
But as stated by Razor earlier the contribution made by the Canadians in the Pacific were far less than the Indians and to further isolate the UK ipcs in the European side will only hurt the game play. 9 nations is already the absolute limit to what this kind of game can handle in a F2F game without somebody getting bored. (unless your a fanatic like me, unfortunately the people I play with are not) If your not happy with the way the game comes out, either:
a) don’t buy it (although you really should and I know you will)
b) make up house rules
c) just play it any waysReadings:
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On the subject of India, I saw a doc on one of the history channels that said one of Hitlers many axis plans was to take India via N Africa (Egypt-Suez) push into The Middle East then into the jewel of the UK. Not sure how true it was, but it went on to say that some of the Indian troops (POW) joined the axis (switched sides) in N Africa. The thought was that India was in turmoil over its independence. It went on to say that their was even a planed coup with Indian Nationalist to take over the government. It also said Hitler wanted this to be a Joint German/Japanese attempt. It was also thought by Japan that the Indian Nationalist would join them after they conquered Burma.
Does anyone (calvinhobbesliker) no more about this? I also read some stuff on Wikipedia that supports parts of this under India WWII.
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@WILD:
On the subject of India, I saw a doc on one of the history channels that said one of Hitlers many axis plans was to take India via N Africa (Egypt-Suez) push into The Middle East then into the jewel of the UK. Not sure how true it was, but it went on to say that some of the Indian troops (POW) joined the axis (switched sides) in N Africa. The thought was that India was in turmoil over its independence. It went on to say that their was even a planed coup with Indian Nationalist to take over the government. It also said Hitler wanted this to be a Joint German/Japanese attempt. That Japan actually sent an amphb/naval force, but recalled it (in-fighting between army/navy). It was also thought by Japan that the Indian Nationalist would join them after they conquered Burma.
Does anyone (calvinhobbesliker) no more about this? I also read some stuff on Wikipedia that supports parts of this under India WWII.
Yeah, I’ve heard of such attempts. For example, there’s Bose, who escaped from India to Germany via Afghanistan and the Soviet Union in 1940. He wanted to lead an army of Indian POW’s to “liberate” India from Britain. Hitler was actually reluctant to do this as he admired the British Raj. Anyway, after setbacks in the invasion of Russia, this became impossible. Thus, Bose was transfered via subs off Madagascar to Japan, who helped him lead an army of Indians captured at Singapore to invade India. The sad thing is, that those Indians who joined Japan and invaded India are regarded as “freedom-fighters” in India and are given large pensions. Indians who fought on the British side against the Japanese invasion of it are not.
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All of Canadas operations where just as a minor support to UK/US forces whereas India was the main part of the battle, rather than just a support.
Besides, how does it make the game better if the UK has to produce about 5-8 IPCs on the other side of the Atlantic.
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The answer is that it doesn’t make the game better, it would just make all these Canadian A&A players happy to see their country represented in the game, even if it is to the game’s detriment.
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Who cares, they will buy it anywhy. :-D
Besides, they can all get behind a fundrasier to make ‘Axis and Allies-Battle of Canada’ where they get to chose which battles they help the UK with. LOL :-D
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@democratic:
Who cares, they will buy it anywhy. :-D
Besides, they can all get behind a fundrasier to make ‘Axis and Allies-Battle of Canada’ where they get to chose which battles they help the UK with. LOL :-D
They should be happy they even got the roundels. :evil:
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Its time we start arguing that the Channel Islands had a considerable ecomany, produce many 10s of infantry and acted independantly of the UK, so its clear they should not be streotyeped as part of th UK, and should be their own power; including their own income, units and combat.
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Yeah, I’ve heard of such attempts. For example, there’s Bose, who escaped from India to Germany via Afghanistan and the Soviet Union in 1940. He wanted to lead an army of Indian POW’s to “liberate” India from Britain. Hitler was actually reluctant to do this as he admired the British Raj. Anyway, after setbacks in the invasion of Russia, this became impossible. Thus, Bose was transfered via subs off Madagascar to Japan, who helped him lead an army of Indians captured at Singapore to invade India. The sad thing is, that those Indians who joined Japan and invaded India are regarded as “freedom-fighters” in India and are given large pensions. Indians who fought on the British side against the Japanese invasion of it are not.
Yea I’ve heard similar stories of Indian troops (freedom fighters) fighting on the axis side. That’s a bummer about the pensions. That must have come about after Aug 1947 when India gained its independence. Its also when Pakistan (Muslim ) was split off and was recognized.
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I’m under 14
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I’m under fourteen.
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Im in college. transferring to a 4 year
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The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.
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And it looks better
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The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.
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–but but, what are these Canadian roundels really all about???
Brain Damaged, it appears no one wants to believe Larry’s simple statement… :roll:
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Get over Canada. Its not going to be in the game, its just that nothing ever happens in Canada, because they helped alot in the war and have a cool rondol they are on the board.
Whos with me
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The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.
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Then any minor power should have its roundel: Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Greece, Finland, Siam, Romania, etc. Man, even the neutrals as Spain for that matter :|
But for a gaming point of view canadian roundels has no use and so has no sense if they are not going to be a separate power or have any gaming use. Larry should delete the roundels or give them a role.
The split of India as 2nd capital is a bad one, it was better Canada. But since I’m going to delete all the chinese and neutral ACME walls and all capital sacking crappiness in my house rules, I guess that I can also give Canada the 2nd capital status the deserves :wink:
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Then any minor power should have its roundel: Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Greece, Finland, Siam, Romania, etc. Man, even the neutrals as Spain for that matter :|
But for a gaming point of view canadian roundels has no use and so has no sense if they are not going to be a separate power or have any gaming use. Larry should delete the roundels or give them a role.
The split of India as 2nd capital is a bad one, it was better Canada. But since I’m going to delete all the chinese and neutral ACME walls and all capital sacking crappiness in my house rules, I guess that I can also give Canada the 2nd capital status the deserves :wink:
Why is splitting it into India bad? If it were UK and Canada, all the money would go to Europe and none to the pacific.
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