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Israeli Editorial: Kill Arafat; End the Double Standard



  • unfair comparison. saddam consistently lied whenever it suited him (in dealing with the US, it was generally all the time), he was not in any way, shape or form trustworthy



  • @Yanny:

    Israel’s Government should be held to a much higher standard than Palestinian terrorists.

    So are you saying the Govt. of Israel can’t bomb the terrorists, but the terrorists can bomb Israel?



  • @Janus1:

    unfair comparison. saddam consistently lied whenever it suited him (in dealing with the US, it was generally all the time), he was not in any way, shape or form trustworthy

    In the eyes of fundamentalists muslims, Israel might be even worse.
    It’s not that i make the comparison for myself, but it’s what i would think that fundamentalist muslims think of Israel…

    @Grigoriy:

    @Yanny:

    Israel’s Government should be held to a much higher standard than Palestinian terrorists.

    So are you saying the Govt. of Israel can’t bomb the terrorists, but the terrorists can bomb Israel?

    A gov’t that calls itself democratic must by definition have different standards than terrorists, and from my western and european point of view, the standards the gov’t should follow are what i call “higher”. So, i agree with Yanny.
    A democratic gov’t can not go out and bomb or shoot whoever they like. A terrorist can. An attacked democracy must defend itself though, with the appropriate means in due proportions to the attack!



  • I understand the fact that a “democratic” govt. would not and should not go around indiscriminately bombing its enemies, but I don’t see why if that government has enemies, and knows that the enemies are going to attack, they can’t prevent the attack and thereby save lives that would have been lost by allowing the attack in the first place.



  • So something i have been mulling over . . . (disclaimer: although i have thought about it, this does not mean i consider it a palatable solution, and i find it more odious than appealling. Note also that this was something a classmate and i had discussed and much had come from his mind).
    We have a problem. It is important to deter Suicide Bombing (SB). There are a few ways - including the destruction of all Israelites and most Americans. This seems unviable currently. So the question - how would one accomplish the appropriate deterrance and punishment given that the SB is willing to become (and eventually ends up)in billions of little pieces? Is any punishment that is currently in existance of any benefit or use? Evidently not. So what do we do?
    The Israeli gov’t - or better an NGO operating at arms length - advertises that it will exact the most brutal of all punishments on suicide bombers (SBs). Once the SB is identified, this NGO employs a paramilitary group. This group destroys the family of the SB. In the first year it begins with the immediate family - wife and children. If this is not sufficient, then the second year they lose their brothers and sisters and parents. Again the following year if this has not been sufficient the cousins, uncles and aunts are destroyed. Eventually the nieces and nephews. Finally in the final year you simply destroy the SB’s social group.
    I’ll be the first to admit - its an evil plan. This would be demonstrated against by the most Zionistic Jew. The question is - would it work??



  • A terrorist can. An attacked democracy must defend itself though, with the appropriate means in due proportions to the attack!

    What are appropriate means? 🙂


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    @cystic:

    So something i have been mulling over . . . (disclaimer: although i have thought about it, this does not mean i consider it a palatable solution, and i find it more odious than appealling. Note also that this was something a classmate and i had discussed and much had come from his mind).
    We have a problem. It is important to deter Suicide Bombing (SB). There are a few ways - including the destruction of all Israelites and most Americans. This seems unviable currently. So the question - how would one accomplish the appropriate deterrance and punishment given that the SB is willing to become (and eventually ends up)in billions of little pieces? Is any punishment that is currently in existance of any benefit or use? Evidently not. So what do we do?
    The Israeli gov’t - or better an NGO operating at arms length - advertises that it will exact the most brutal of all punishments on suicide bombers (SBs). Once the SB is identified, this NGO employs a
    paramilitary group. This group destroys the family of the SB. In the first year it begins with the immediate family - wife and children. If this is not sufficient, then the second year they lose their brothers and sisters and parents. Again the following year if this has not been sufficient the cousins, uncles and aunts are destroyed. Eventually the nieces and nephews. Finally in the final year you simply destroy the SB’s social group.
    I’ll be the first to admit - its an evil plan. This would be demonstrated against by the most Zionistic Jew. The question is - would it work??

    no I don’t think it would work… you kill a family and 20 more join the SBombing cause… the fued starts over again and so on…



  • You think so? The name of the game being prevention - although these jerks would sacrifice their lives, would they be so quick to sacrifice the lives of their families?



  • @cystic:

    So something i have been mulling over . . . (disclaimer: although i have thought about it, this does not mean i consider it a palatable solution, and i find it more odious than appealling. Note also that this was something a classmate and i had discussed and much had come from his mind).
    We have a problem. It is important to deter Suicide Bombing (SB). There are a few ways - including the destruction of all Israelites and most Americans. This seems unviable currently. So the question - how would one accomplish the appropriate deterrance and punishment given that the SB is willing to become (and eventually ends up)in billions of little pieces? Is any punishment that is currently in existance of any benefit or use? Evidently not. So what do we do?
    The Israeli gov’t - or better an NGO operating at arms length - advertises that it will exact the most brutal of all punishments on suicide bombers (SBs). Once the SB is identified, this NGO employs a paramilitary group. This group destroys the family of the SB. In the first year it begins with the immediate family - wife and children. If this is not sufficient, then the second year they lose their brothers and sisters and parents. Again the following year if this has not been sufficient the cousins, uncles and aunts are destroyed. Eventually the nieces and nephews. Finally in the final year you simply destroy the SB’s social group.
    I’ll be the first to admit - its an evil plan. This would be demonstrated against by the most Zionistic Jew. The question is - would it work??

    I think it would work, but it’s not feasible. No country in their right mind would support such a thing. Look at it now, the UN is practically shitting a brick at the thought of killing a known terrorist (Arafat). What do you think they’d have to say about killing innocent people on purpose?

    I’d rather just leave it at kill them before they kill us. In terms of Israelis, I think they have every right to go attack the terrorists (disproportionally or not F_alk), in order to defend themselves. If they happen to harm a few civilians in the process of defending themselves, so be it.



  • as though the UN has any power. (totally unrelated to topic) i think it would be interesting if there were just 5 men in a room somewhere, smoking cigars, controlling the world, as so many conspiracy theorists say. because if you think about it, thats pretty damn skilled.


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    You think so?

    CERTAINLY!!!..… You will make them more mad… we are “civilized” (Disclaimer: this is not saying the Muslim Population in Palestine is civilized… only comparing them to the US and the Israeli’s, which have “govermental” :roll: way to deal with opposition…) so therefore we have to respond in a diplomatic way, the “harder route”… they think they are choosing the easier one… besides they probably think about the Israeli’s who won Independence by attacking the british in '48!!! they are (this is my opinion) SB because it will incite other Muslims in sorounding countries because of the destrucion of Women and children of the suicide families…



  • @Guerrilla:

    they are (this is my opinion) SB because it will incite other Muslims in sorounding countries because of the destrucion of Women and children of the suicide families…

    I agree with this. While CC’s idea has merit, in an evil sort of way, the SBs have to be cut off at the source. I’m not sure how exactly we can go about doing this, but my first idea (eliminate all the Muslims) is definitely NOT the way to go about doing it.



  • @cystic:


    The Israeli gov’t - or better an NGO operating at arms length - advertises that it will exact the most brutal of all punishments on suicide bombers (SBs). Once the SB is identified, this NGO employs a paramilitary group. This group destroys the family of the SB. In the first year it begins with the immediate family - wife and children. If this is not sufficient, then the second year they lose their brothers and sisters and parents. Again the following year if this has not been sufficient the cousins, uncles and aunts are destroyed. Eventually the nieces and nephews. Finally in the final year you simply destroy the SB’s social group.
    I’ll be the first to admit - its an evil plan. This would be demonstrated against by the most Zionistic Jew. The question is - would it work??

    I don’t think that it will work at all. It will be counterproductive, IMHO.
    This plan may work once or twice, but the sheme behind it will be easliy seen through after a few times. So, once you then start destroying the SB’s close family, all of the other relatives will probably go underground (and be much more supportive to SB’s regradless of where they stood before), or try to hit you before you hit them. The time delay you give to have future SB to step back from their plans is the thing that will make it fail.
    This means that all you do is massively increasing the support base and number of SB’s.
    And, once it turns into a movement thatis supported by each and every member of the people, you cannot win except by erasing the whole of the people.
    Plus, as mentioned here, it will increase the foreign support, be it from “arab” or “civilized” states (the support will differ probably, but increase from both).



  • which is when we move on to plan B- eliminate everyone who sees a guy with his arm up a camels ass and thinks “mechanic”



  • LOL, isn’t that an Amish joke? I heard Robin Williams say that before… 😛



  • thats a horses ass, and yes he said it, but its not his joke. its a pretty common one, one of those that just springs up and no one knows from where. the amish one probably came first ,and undoubtedly, the arab one came after 9/11 or something


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