Open Forum for Allied Strategies

Interesting idea with the Pacific theatre. That’s probably the easiest way to lure the U.S. into a delay tactic. Probably still requires taking out Pearl Harbor first.

And, yeah, I know, I’m a pretty strict player. I play ONLY the odds on rolls (something my opponent hasn’t quite got the patience for yet; I’ve broken his thrusts at Eastern Europe and Germany countless times this way) and all. I just think there must be a way to position units so that the true intentions are hidden from the Allies, and he must respond. In general, I think this is the key for the Axis… having units (armor!) in position to shift anywhere across Asia, threatening everything at once… but wondering if there were other places that anyone could think of.

Ha, in A&A, I took over Russia with Germany on the second turn! Ending up EV winning on the 4th, since the Japanese (AI controlled) player couldn’t figure how to attack on the first turn.

@Jennifer:

1)  8 Infantry purchase. (Purchase Phase)
2)  Sub/Trn to Spainish Sea Zone Submarine (Combat Move Phase)
3)  Two fighters to Baltic Sea Zone fleet (Sub/Trn) (Combat Move Phase)
4)  Land fighters in Karelia (Non-Combat Move Phase)
5)  Move all land units from Russia and all but 1 land unit from Caucasus to Karelia (Non-Combat Move phase)
6)  Move 2 Infantry, 1 Armor from Soviet Far East to Yakut SSR (Non-Combat Moe Phase)
7)  Move 2 Infantry from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut SSR (Non-Combat Move Phase)
8)  Place 8 Infantry in Karelia

end result:

19 Infantry, 3 Armor, 2 Fighters in Karelia
1 Infantry in Caucasus
7 Infantry, 1 Armor in Yakut SSR
(Probably) 1 Submarine in Spainish Sea Zone

24 IPCs on round 2.

Next round either take E. Europe or retake Caucasus (lightly) and start staging British and Americans in finland/norway and move them into Karelia.

Germany should cease to exist in 3 rounds.

I assume you did not play with bids, so I would slightly alter the combat moves. By some they are regarded as weak moves, but hey everybody got their own oppinion.

My usual R1 movements (no bid, no rr)

buy 8 inf

Attack sub sz, with 1 sub.

Attack baltic fleet with 1 fig and 1 tran

Strafe Ukr with everything available from Kar, Cau and Mos (8inf and 3 arms if I am not mistaken). Most optimal result is that you leave Ukr with 1 fig or 1 fig and an arm. (retreat to Kar with your remaining forces)

Attack Man (I believe you can hit it with 5 inf, 1 arm and 1 fig)

NCM 1 inf to cau from russia, rest to Kar.

NCM 2 Infantry from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut SSR
8.) NCM Land you fig (baltic battle) in Kar

NCM Land your fig (Man battle) in yakult

Place 8 inf in Kar

Collect 27 IPC’s

Optimal result:
Kar: 14-16 inf, 3 arms  and 1 fig
Cau: 1 inf
Man: 1-3 inf and 1 arm
Yak: 2 inf and 1 fig
SpZs: 1 sub
Baltic: 1 tran

This is if everything went according plan with dice in your favor. I think a lot of people here will agree with me that this will give Russia the most potential and will set back the Axis the most. But again playing with no bid is really flawed, but you should discover that yourself first before you understand why bids are necessary and where to place your bid.

@Lan:

RUSSIA T1:

They usually destroy both baltic ships with fighters, leave 3 or so inf in the caucasus, and stack all available inf in karelia (placing the 8 they buy also). Consolidate their force in asia either in yakut or mongolia for some reason…occasionally will try to reinforce sinkiang in hopes of building an IC as the americans. Leaves transport with UK battleship, attacks west europe sub with sub.
Russia makes 24

Big mistake not to attack ukraine. Also try manchuria (uk get’s kwang). People will argue against it, but top players do it. Otherwise, that’s about right.
@Lan:

GERMANY T1:

I buy 10 inf

attack british sub with battleship and transport, loaded with 2 guys from italy. These 2 inf and the tank and inf in libya attack egypt. Sub attacks US transport. Fighter in western europe attacks british transport in labrador sea. 3 fighters and bomber in europe attack UK fleet. Consolidate my inf and armor in eastern europe.
Germany makes 35

I consider this move decent actually, i reject attacking the us transport, i’d rather see it go as fodder in the north sea but this depends. Also with 10 infantry build, you will lose your med fleet, and without a bid in africa, you will lose it. Have you considered 1 sub 8 infantry?
@Lan:

UK T1:

usually sends fighters to aid karelia, sends bomber against one of my factories. Buys fighters and maybe some infantry
UK makes 27

WHAT!!! here is the big mistake, don’t bomb the factory, attack german med fleet with bomber, fighter battleship sub if it’s alive, and/or attack egypt transporting men off of india. If germany has 2 units on egypt you should certainly do both. Otherwise you can save the battleship, and only hit egypt allowing for 3 transports 2 men build. If russia did manch, then just kill the fleet, and hit kwang. Don’t build fighters until you have established a minimum of 3 transports, I have only recently heard of building fighters as uk this way, I recommend building 4 and moving in 8 infantry a turn to karelia/africa…
if you don’t save the bb, build carrier transport man.
@Lan:

JAPAN T1:
buy an IC and 2 tanks
attack china with inf in kwangtung and manchuria, attack india with inf from phillipines and burma. use fighters and bombers from wherever necessary to reinforce these fights this part of the game usually changes a lot, the basic idea is to take a strategic area like india, china, sinkiang or even mongolia, while having at least one territory worth 3 well out of reach of the enemy Use carrier fighter and 2 battleships to attack americans at pearl harbor II. Place IC in kwantung usually, provided nobody can get at it…. Japan ends this turn making 30 usually

I don’t like this strategy much. First of all I love it when the phil trn goes to india. The uk bombers is in kenya (or italian east africa!) So the transport is wasted. Also industry first turn i don’t agree with. and why 2 tanks. You only have 2 transports, and you are throwing one away? build 2 transports 3 men.
@Lan:

US T1:
Buy ships to replace its sunken fleet… attack japanese fleet with fighters, bomber, battleship, send transport to alaska to be used with future sneakiness. Place most ships in pacific (for some reason…he alternates between working on japan and germany it seems).

replace sunken fleet. try not attacking japan with the usa. Try 3 transports 4 men the first turn, placed in e us sz, if the german bomber is in western europe, you could try 4 transports. Don’t send battleship to alaska send it to panama, block with transport.

The most important thing, play the allies more!! If you do this they can use your strategies against you I guess… Also a tip for usa: build men in eusa, and move them to ecanada, then each turn you can move there, load them and drop them in finland. It’s good to have about 5 us transports doing this, thus +10 infantry in russia each turn from usa, and +8 from uk.

Sorry if i sound harsh, just trying to help!

like i said, i made it a long time ago…like 6 or 7 years ago.  :mrgreen: <----love this smiley

@Zakes:

The trick to screwing over Russia on the first round is to throw everything, literrally everything at Karelia on the very first round, and buying tons tanks so you can reinforce your front on the second turn.

I initially thought so as well.  But these folks showed me the implementation of US and UK strategies that I had never seen developed to the level they use them that preclude Germany from HOLDING Karelia to be able to build there in G2.

To take Karelia against the best defensive buildup that Russia can muster requires your Air Force.  But if you use your Air Force against Karelia, the UK navy is intact, and does an amphib in Karelia (2 BB’s, 3 fighters, 1 bomber, 2 INF, 1 tank) to kick Germany’s few remaining forces out in UK1.

Even if UK fails to kick Germany out of Karelia, what forces does Germany have left?  2 INF in Western, 4 INF and a tank in Eastern, 1-3 tanks in Karelia, 2 fighters, and a bomber; and their “total tank” build of 6 tanks in Germany.  That is a BEST case survival scenario.

Going forward against this, you have Russia building 7 (or more) INF per round, UK with a “full” transport fleet to use against Germany and the US also with a transport fleet that starts hitting Germany in US3.

Believe me, I used to agree whole heartedly with you, but failing to take out the Allied naval forces in the 1st and 2nd rounds is certain quick death for Germany.  And without them, you can;t crack Karelia.  Even if you can, you can;t crack it with enough force to threaten Russia the following round.

LOL What an Idiot…

Good work showing him up Yavid.

Shotest games I have played, are G1’s where the player quits after attrocious dice.