Number 4 from the top is Soviet Marshal Aleksandr Vasilevsky.
Religion, Why?
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Other countries have life MUCH worse… :-?
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like afganistan
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I’m not so sure about Cuba. There’s a lot of censorship there which I don’t agree with… however, it’s much better than the previous rulers they had.
Totally agree.
Cuba ain’t paradise, but its not horrible either. Lifting the US sanctions there could do a lot of good for both sides.
How can you live without Cuba’s rum ?
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Simple, I don’t drink )
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Good idea. :)
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And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now :)
- Canada has the best doctors in the world.
You mean those who let people die in a strike because they did’nt want Medicare for everyone ?
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And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now
hahaha, make some noise and it’ll seem more like 300. :wink:
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And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now :)
- Canada has the best doctors in the world.
You mean those who let people die in a strike because they did’nt want Medicare for everyone ?
exactly.
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No, but you do need the concept to have life after death. Without that, what is the point to even living?
so, the point of life is to follow one of the many gods, then die and be rewared by that god? And i can choose that god? I bet there is a god somewhere out there that perfectly agrees with my style of living…. And a dozen that disagree, but then:
What influence does a god have over me, whos set of rules i do not follow and that i don’t believe in?How do you rationalize believing in such low probabilities that everything came about the way it did based on random processes?
anthropic principle. We had that somewhere already.
Yes I would. And God has asked for this to be done in the past. He asked Abraham to do it.
Potential murderer. …. and i bet you don’t believe any woman who claims that god told her to abort her unborn child, right?
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@F_alk:
No, but you do need the concept to have life after death. Without that, what is the point to even living?
so, the point of life is to follow one of the many gods, then die and be rewared by that god? And i can choose that god? I bet there is a god somewhere out there that perfectly agrees with my style of living…. And a dozen that disagree, but then:
What influence does a god have over me, whos set of rules i do not follow and that i don’t believe in?How do you rationalize believing in such low probabilities that everything came about the way it did based on random processes?
anthropic principle. We had that somewhere already.
Yes I would. And God has asked for this to be done in the past. He asked Abraham to do it.
Potential murderer. …. and i bet you don’t believe any woman who claims that god told her to abort her unborn child, right?
I’m back! Exams are in a week and a half so I’ve been pressed for time, which has been particularly bothersome and has not allowed me to play my turn for my game against Zero. Anyway, to whichever one of our German members I argued with before, I llooked up and asked about Judaism’s punishment for pre-marital sex and there isn’t one because the Bible (when I say the Bible I mean what Christians call the Old Testament) doesn’t have one. I’m in the process of finding out why it is not allowed, probably though as to stop from giving an inch to a man because he’ll want a mile later.
Wild, why does the afterlife matter right now? We dont know what happens there and how it works so our main function should be to improve ourselves in this life.
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Wild, why does the afterlife matter right now? We dont know what happens there and how it works so our main function should be to improve ourselves in this life.
Totally agree, we should try to improve life here.
Hey CC, can you answer me plzzzz… i want to know what’s an evil force, socialism, atheism, humanism, science, evolutionism, islamism ? And i won’t say anything if i am in your “evil force”, it’s just curiosity because i know from experiance that “evil” is a very subjective conception (like “true love” and “happiness”).
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The one we can all agree with : Nazism…
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:lol:
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In response to Fin’s (sarcastic? sardonic? unwarranted? impossible?) plea for me to define “evil forces”, the closest i can come is to suggest that these “force” people to do evil things. What are evil things? Well, i guess close would be actions which purposefully hurt people in the long-term (i hurt people in the short-term out of necessity) or forces which act purposefully against God. In this way, people who go out and purposefully kill people might well be guided or lead by “evil forces”, and Fin for his work against God might well also be considered an evil force. At the same time, due to the absurdities of his “religion”, i do not consider him to be much of a “force”. :P
Also although i do not believe atheists to be evil, if they work expressly to undo God’s work then they might be considered to be acting on behalf of an evil force (if unwittingly, but of course they could never realize this).
But of course these are the ramblings of a man up all night delivering babies. Speaking of which, i do not see God ordering us to kill a baby/child/person. If so, then i may have to reexamine my beliefs (and most likely my sanity).
Also a woman did kill her child believing it to be Satan. I guess one might suggest that she was acting according to “God”, although she may not have done so if her psychosis was properly controlled with the Risperidone she was supposed to be taking.
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plea for me to define “evil forces”, the closest i can come is to suggest that these “force” people to do evil things. What are evil things? Well, i guess close would be actions which purposefully hurt people in the long-term (i hurt people in the short-term out of necessity) or forces which act purposefully against God.
Ok… then i am not evil, because i hurt nobody, but i could be considered “evil” because i “act” against god, in the way that i want a logical explanation for “god”. But refusing religion is not evil right ?
Fin for his work against God might well also be considered an evil force
How asking for logical answer can be considered evil ?
At the same time, due to the absurdities of his “religion”, i do not consider him to be much of a “force”.
What absurdities ?
I never said it was unimportant what is done in the world today.
The conception of Heaven and Hell, within the fixist “theory”, was often a good reason in history for conservatism (feudalism), why should we change ? god make the world perfect ! I don’t say it’s what you said it was just a common believe in the middle age/before lamarck/darwin. Personally i don’t believe in a life after death, and even if there was we have thing to do HERE.
However, this is a risky gamble. But if they are right, then what have I lost? I still lead a good life and would be judged the same way they are.
With all the religion out there it’s always a risky gamble if you believe only ONE is right.
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So what wild is saying is if he saw a bearded man come out of the clouds, throwing bolts of lightning around and yelling loud things, and told him to go kill someone, Wild would kill him.
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So what wild is saying is if he saw a bearded man come out of the clouds, throwing bolts of lightning around and yelling loud things, and told him to go kill someone, Wild would kill him.
that’s a bit presumptive and makes several assumptions.
- assuming we believe God to be “a bearded man” (because of Michelangelo’s work?)
- that “he” throws lightning bolts around (could happen . . .) - if he could, then why would he order Wild around?
- the yelling? well, if “he” were yelling, then people other than Wild might hear and jump to the crusade
- assumes that your crazed (g)od resembles in anyway the God that Wild (and I) worship
- assumes that he’d ask us to kill anyone
- note: i think many Christians buy into the “small voice in the wilderness” over the torrential ravings of a powerful lunatic.
Fin - an extremely sleep deprived man tried to make light of your bizaare question. pay no attention to him.
also i have read the posts - you have done things other than simply ask for logical arguments for God. So has your loser-friend nietzsche. -
Was just throwing a little humour into the fray :)
I’ll rephrase that… If your God (and you knew it was your God) came to you and said “Kill that guy”, according to what Wild just said, he would.
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:lol:
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So, in other words, you are a willing slave to God.
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