• From the capitalist perspective which survives by feeding off of surplus labor… :-?


  • Religion is in a lot ways a cover for power. You use religion to get people to stand up behind you, to do what you tell them to.
    Many leaders who claim they have God behind, probably don’t give a shit about God, they just want the power.

    But the holy scripts can be interpretated in so many ways (simply because they contradict themselves all the time, just look at the bible for instance) that they acctually tell you to go to war.
    The bible says that you should not have any other Gods. You may see it as your duty to convert these “savages” who’s not christian.

    Therefor religion have been too bad and is only a tool to get power. It has been so forever. Just look what happened to Galilei when he said that the sun was center of the universe, not the earth. He was almost killed, because that fact would make the church look weak and it would lose its power.
    The same thing with crazy leaders.

    And about communism, no one have ever seen communism, so don’t talk like you know what it is, unless you have read for example Marx (which I have btw, and I acctually have a poster of him on a my wall, hehe) 8)

    Soviet was far from communistic, thanks to a mr Stalin. It’s quite ironic acctually, how Lenin in his will said that he would want Trotskij or two other guys (don’t remember who they were right now) and said that he definitly didn’t want Stalin. And Stalin changed it and you know the rest. I want to quote a former american general, who after the fall of Soviet said “One evil empire down, one to go”.
    The only country who have been close to communism is Cuba acctually. And they are not in misery, Castro is loved (why else would there be tens of thousands of people coming to cheer him when he speaks in public), they have the best doctors in the world, everyone is granted food etc.
    And the ones who run away from Cuba are those who just want to have more than everyone else, why else would there be so many who ran away when Castro took the power? And guess which people it was who ran away? And you’re not forced to stay, as Castros daughter who lives in exile said “going away from Cuba is practically the only right you have”.

    Yeah yeah, whatever, this is out of subject :) Start another thread if you want to know more or something.


  • That was me posting above.


  • Chaos - too much to challenge, a few things to agree to . . .

    1. Canada has the best doctors in the world.
    2. People risk and give up all they have to leave Cuba. Even today. And i’m certain that any leader in the world could conjure up a crowd of thousands to cheer, particularly if they have the force of will (and will of force) to shut down protesters.
      True sanctions have hurt Cuba, and i’m glad that we have nominal relations with the Cubans, however i see too many trying to escape for one reason or another to be convinced that the resorts are not the only utopian aspect of Cuba.

  • I’m not so sure about Cuba. There’s a lot of censorship there which I don’t agree with… however, it’s much better than the previous rulers they had.


  • Cuba ain’t paradise, but its not horrible either. Lifting the US sanctions there could do a lot of good for both sides.


  • Other countries have life MUCH worse… :-?


  • like afganistan


  • I’m not so sure about Cuba. There’s a lot of censorship there which I don’t agree with… however, it’s much better than the previous rulers they had.

    Totally agree.

    @Yanny:

    Cuba ain’t paradise, but its not horrible either. Lifting the US sanctions there could do a lot of good for both sides.

    How can you live without Cuba’s rum ?


  • Simple, I don’t drink )


  • Good idea. :)


  • And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now :)

    1. Canada has the best doctors in the world.

    You mean those who let people die in a strike because they did’nt want Medicare for everyone ?


  • And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now

    hahaha, make some noise and it’ll seem more like 300. :wink:


  • @FinsterniS:

    And Welcome Chaos, it’s good to see another leftish european atheist join us, we are 3 now :)

    1. Canada has the best doctors in the world.

    You mean those who let people die in a strike because they did’nt want Medicare for everyone ?

    exactly.


  • @Wild2000:

    No, but you do need the concept to have life after death. Without that, what is the point to even living?

    so, the point of life is to follow one of the many gods, then die and be rewared by that god? And i can choose that god? I bet there is a god somewhere out there that perfectly agrees with my style of living…. And a dozen that disagree, but then:
    What influence does a god have over me, whos set of rules i do not follow and that i don’t believe in?

    How do you rationalize believing in such low probabilities that everything came about the way it did based on random processes?

    anthropic principle. We had that somewhere already.

    Yes I would. And God has asked for this to be done in the past. He asked Abraham to do it.

    Potential murderer. …. and i bet you don’t believe any woman who claims that god told her to abort her unborn child, right?


  • @F_alk:

    @Wild2000:

    No, but you do need the concept to have life after death. Without that, what is the point to even living?

    so, the point of life is to follow one of the many gods, then die and be rewared by that god? And i can choose that god? I bet there is a god somewhere out there that perfectly agrees with my style of living…. And a dozen that disagree, but then:
    What influence does a god have over me, whos set of rules i do not follow and that i don’t believe in?

    How do you rationalize believing in such low probabilities that everything came about the way it did based on random processes?

    anthropic principle. We had that somewhere already.

    Yes I would. And God has asked for this to be done in the past. He asked Abraham to do it.

    Potential murderer. …. and i bet you don’t believe any woman who claims that god told her to abort her unborn child, right?

    I’m back! Exams are in a week and a half so I’ve been pressed for time, which has been particularly bothersome and has not allowed me to play my turn for my game against Zero. Anyway, to whichever one of our German members I argued with before, I llooked up and asked about Judaism’s punishment for pre-marital sex and there isn’t one because the Bible (when I say the Bible I mean what Christians call the Old Testament) doesn’t have one. I’m in the process of finding out why it is not allowed, probably though as to stop from giving an inch to a man because he’ll want a mile later.

    Wild, why does the afterlife matter right now? We dont know what happens there and how it works so our main function should be to improve ourselves in this life.


  • Wild, why does the afterlife matter right now? We dont know what happens there and how it works so our main function should be to improve ourselves in this life.

    Totally agree, we should try to improve life here.

    Hey CC, can you answer me plzzzz… i want to know what’s an evil force, socialism, atheism, humanism, science, evolutionism, islamism ? And i won’t say anything if i am in your “evil force”, it’s just curiosity because i know from experiance that “evil” is a very subjective conception (like “true love” and “happiness”).


  • The one we can all agree with : Nazism…


  • :lol:


  • In response to Fin’s (sarcastic? sardonic? unwarranted? impossible?) plea for me to define “evil forces”, the closest i can come is to suggest that these “force” people to do evil things. What are evil things? Well, i guess close would be actions which purposefully hurt people in the long-term (i hurt people in the short-term out of necessity) or forces which act purposefully against God. In this way, people who go out and purposefully kill people might well be guided or lead by “evil forces”, and Fin for his work against God might well also be considered an evil force. At the same time, due to the absurdities of his “religion”, i do not consider him to be much of a “force”. :P

    Also although i do not believe atheists to be evil, if they work expressly to undo God’s work then they might be considered to be acting on behalf of an evil force (if unwittingly, but of course they could never realize this).
    But of course these are the ramblings of a man up all night delivering babies. Speaking of which, i do not see God ordering us to kill a baby/child/person. If so, then i may have to reexamine my beliefs (and most likely my sanity).
    Also a woman did kill her child believing it to be Satan. I guess one might suggest that she was acting according to “God”, although she may not have done so if her psychosis was properly controlled with the Risperidone she was supposed to be taking.
    bed time.

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