i’ve never had this happen. but I would build infantry en masse. there is NO way the russia can match germany infantry for infantry
Easy to kick the Russians out of Moscow!
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If you ever hear a strategy thats basically “Purchase all tanks and attack” you know its doomed to fail.
unless you’re Japan and its your first turn :lol:
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Ha, yeah, if you’re TM :x :wink:
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The worst is when you take Karelia & STILL can’t take Moscow! This happens to me all the time whenever the Japan player hasn’t made signifigant inroads against Russia in the East. That’s where I learned to not bother to take Karelia (barring extremely favorable circumstances) until Japan is really wailing on USSR. If you take Karelia while USSR territory is still basically intact, USSR will turtle in Moscow and just keep cranking out INF until another Ally comes along to even the odds. They move before anybody, and so they will almost always be able to build more guys in USSR than you can move into (or build) in Karelia. The only way to prevent this is to cripple USSR economically BEFORE the final assault on Moscow–and the only way to do that is by Japan seizing a LOT of USSR territory.
See, the problem is that Karelia is always a vast USSR fortress. After you take the fortress, your assault forces are greatly weakened & must be reinforced in order to take Moscow. Therefore, USSR usually has a 1-2 turn “build-lead” on you from the start of the campaign. That’s fine if you’ve got say 46 IPC’s income and he/she’s got only 18-21, but you’ve first got to build the units, and then move them to the battle front. Then you’ve got to maintain your humongous income lead for several turns in order to win the buildup race–to do that you’ve got to defend all your territory in Africa & Europe from the Western Allies–that means some of those 46 IPCs have to go to defense. Usually it takes 2-3 turns AFTER you take Karelia to build up sufficient strike force to take Moscow–all the while the Allies are doing their best to prevent this.
There are two basic ways to win this campaign & seize Moscow–combine them and you’ve got an effective strategy: 1.) You’ve got to slow down USSR’s buildup. The way you do this is by taking as much USSR territory as possible & holding it–Japan is the obvious player for this job since he’s got the best access to USSR’s soft underbelly. Strategic bombing also helps a bit, but the 2 Axis powers need to work together for this to be successful since neither can afford to buy a fleet of bombers. 2.) You’ve got to plan ahead before you attack Karelia so that you can move the maximum # of troops in the turn after Karelia is taken. One way is to build all INF the turn BEFORE you attack Karelia so you can move them into Eastern Europe as soon as Karelia is taken. Then you build all armor so that the turn after Karelia is taken ALL the INF & ALL the ARM can move straight to the front. To do this you’ve got to be able to envision the situation up to 3 turns in advance–if this is you, you can call yourself an “advanced” A & A player. :D
Ozone27
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my strat is that germany just defend against the ussr while japan assaults moscow defeting them ussr will then use its troops in karila and the cacus and conter attack taking moscow germany then takes karila and the cacus and the japan retakes moscow, germany gets to take any remaining russian territories.
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that was me. opps
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I don’t think Germany will ever be in a position to take Karelia, except maybe the first turn.
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As the Japanese take Evenki Nat’l Okrug, Novosibirsk, and Kazakh SSR, the Russians will run out of money and will start fighting a war of attrition against the Japanese, but they will only be able to afford infantry and will have to funnel some orces from Karelia to Moscow if the Japanese are strengthening. Germany does eventually get equal odds for an assault on Karelia. I’ve seen it happen many times.
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Where is US and UK during this time? If Germany is able to mount an offensive on Karelia that late into that game - then I would say that SOME of the Allies aren’t doing their job right.
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my strat is that germany just defend against the ussr while japan assaults moscow defeting them ussr will then use its troops in karila and the cacus and conter attack taking moscow germany then takes karila and the cacus and the japan retakes moscow, germany gets to take any remaining russian territories.
in my strategy Germany can focus on africa and UK/USA, it just has to keep indo bombing russia to help japan and also to stack infantry on its russian borders to repel an attack and to be used when it invades.
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@TG:
Where is US and UK during this time? If Germany is able to mount an offensive on Karelia that late into that game - then I would say that SOME of the Allies aren’t doing their job right.
The Americans were pouring troops into Russia via Finland and the British were mounting a retalitory strike against the Germans in Africa, which began to threaten me in Asia as Japan. But I had 3 ICs in Asia by then so I was puring out 8 tanks a turn to threaten Moscow, form Yalut, Indo and India. The Russians just couldnt keep up and eventually fell.
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I’m still not sure where the Germans would fit into this?
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Elementary, my dear TG. The Germans were able to take the Caucasus now that the Russians were forced into funneling forces to defend Moscow. Eventually as they stack in Eastern Europe, their odds of success in an attack on Karelia become equal to that of a failure. This is the time for them to take the risk and attack. The Germans will most likely not get another chance because of the British drive through Africa which the Japanese qwill also have to defend against. If the Germans succeed, the Americans will most likely be unable to retake Karelia on one turn which will leave Russia battered and will give either Germany or Japan the opportunity she needs to take Moscow.
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With the Allies able to put 10-20 inf on Finland/Karelia each turn, I see this hard to believe.
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TM I saw the events board and saw a game played and the player took karila on his/hers first turn.
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:lol:
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Rightly said. I would’ve just stacked Karelia first turn.
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@TG:
With the Allies able to put 10-20 inf on Finland/Karelia each turn, I see this hard to believe.
Japan controlled all of mainland Asia and the entire Pacific including Australia which mad it able to really threaten Moscow. When Germany took Karelia, the Allies were able to counter-attack and retake it, but that really didn’t matter because Japan had Russia right where it wanted it, on the verge of capture.
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@TG:
Rightly said. I would’ve just stacked Karelia first turn.
Yeah, but given the new rules, i wanted to prevent “EASY” capture of territories by paratroopers (and therefore even GREATER loss of income). I’d hoped that, as Wild2000 pointed out, a dead zone would exist such that the allies could “affect” your armor. I’d say 3 inf and 1 arm in exchange for 4 arm isn’t a bad exchange . . . .
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Yeah, those new rules sure were something…
Japan controlled all of mainland Asia and the entire Pacific including Australia which mad it able to really threaten Moscow. When Germany took Karelia, the Allies were able to counter-attack and retake it, but that really didn’t matter because Japan had Russia right where it wanted it, on the verge of capture.
Usually if I’m lucky enough to have a large enough invasion force for Japan the Germans will usually be in… well ummm… Germany. :) Then it becomes a race between triumph and disaster.
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