I say keep them both occupied and slowly build offensive forces to kill Germany and then Japan. Believe it or not the Allies really do have enough resources to keep both the axis from expanding while having enough left over to do this. In fact I’ve managed to hold off Germany without any US help.
Putting effort into the Pacific is stupid for either nation. USA can’t do anything against, Japan, and Japan can’t do much against the US. Now the Atlantic, thats another story. Now THATS where I can see a good Japaneese IC.
what’s the worst Japan can do Take moscow.what’s the worst Germany could do win the war.
my favorite countries are- in order Japan, US, Germany, UK, Russia.
about the pacific, the only attention anyone should give it is Japan to take the Austrailias(not right away), take Hawaii(in order to strat bomb USA, (though bombers could better strat bomb Russia), Alaska (to distract US, but if it doesn’t distract them, then walk right in) Japan might also want midway if US has Long range aircraft.
US should take it outside (to the atlantic).
exactly.
russia sucks, germany rocks
Yea i really fail to see how anyone could actually LIKE to play as russia or germany. USA, Japan, and Uk all have options for strategy and movements while russia and germany just simply buy men and tanks, men and tanks and have big battles…how is that fun? You gotta get all in on the navy and airforce and industrial complex fun…US is my fav followed by japan, uk, germany, russia
I don’t have a favorite country. I prefer
being the axis though. The axis area a real
challenge against a solid opponent. I have
had some AWESOME defensive stands with the
axis and won many games that way.
Russia is not boring if you play aggresive and if you play good with it, you can easily win the war for the allies. I cant see why US should be more fun, its fun to fight naval battles in the pacific with them, but shipping infantry into western europe over and over again bores me :wink:
what are you talking about germany and russia are 2 of the best countries to play with
ok i’ll concede to germany just because its a challenge trying to hold out against 3 countries at once and you options as far as infantry, tanks and planes. However russia is not fun at all. I would love to hear how it is. You sipmly buy men, maybe a few tanks every once in awhile and counter-attack the germans. you only move like 1 space every turn. like i said, its boring….
no its not.
You have to divide your forces between two fronts, furthermore you have to gain valuable ipc’s by capturing countries like ukraine, scandinavia, eastern europe, etc. Its allways a real challenge to get an income of 30 or more IPC’s before you do an all out attack on Germany, while your last remaining forces in Russia itself defend the capital against the japanese :smile:
While my favorite powers are definitely the Axis, I can’t see why “ignoring” the Pacific should be an option for either side. If UK can hold an IC in India and USA can destroy the Japanese fleet, Japan will have virtually NO impact on the rest of the game whatever! No Jap fleet means East Indies, Borneo, New Guinea, Okinawa and Philippines are all taken–that’s 7 IPC’s. Even with 3 captured far east land territories Japan couldn’t make up the losses, and putting more IC’s on the board will only stave off the inevitable. The only way the Pacific can be “ignored” is if the other side agrees to do so, too.
On the other hand that’s why Germany is so fun to play–how are you gonna hold off ALL the Allies while simultaneously crippling Russia? It’s not easy, but it’s fun…
Ozone27
Germany….yep.
On the issue of the Pacific. It has been my experience that Japan tends to concentrate its efforts on the far East, leaving what resources it started with just “floating around” the Pacific. While it is understandable why Japan must commit to the far east in order to put pressure on Russia, it has been my practice to use the USA and it’s economic power to create and deploy a Pacific fleet in order to put enormous pressure on Japan by first conquering all the lightly defended islands and then assembling a huge landing party for the Japanese mainland. The Japanese are forced to pay attention and allocate resources in their defence. This will inevitably stall their far east efforts. If Japan ignores the USA buildup for too long, they will be in big trouble. If they commit naval resources, they will not have full force in their eastern operations. In any case, the USA will be effective in tying up the Japanese thus relieving the Russians from fighting a two war front, which they simply cannot afford.
…in summation, I always have lots of action in the Pacific when playing the USA. It works more often then not…with any luck. Like any “plan”, not always perfect.
I dont, building a pacific fleet takes at least 3 or 4 turns, these turns can be used by both axis to cripple russia. So a pacific fleet only relieves the russians after they have been crippled far enough by the axis.
It sounds like your UK player is asleep on the job! He/she is having absolutely NO impact on either Asia OR Europe theaters and should be relegated to banker duty or whatever. Your USSR player isn’t much better, if he is being “crippled” in 3(!) turns by even a combined assault. They should both be fired immediately.
Seriously, though I appreciate what you are saying: if USA is spending all their resources on slow attack in the Pacific it makes the Allies jobs a lot tougher. But USA can HURT Japan in the Pacific without breaking the bank. I had 1 game where Japan destroyed most of the USA fleet T1 as usual. USA responded by building a MONSTROUS fleet of subs that in very little time (and at relatively little cost) were prowling the Pacific sinking every TR in their path! Japan wa forced to rely on air power and 1 IC in Manchuria and were pretty quickly bottled up. At the same time USA was able to build a sizeable D-Day force as well.
My point isn’t that the Pacific is always THE decisive theater. I’m only saying that every game is different and if you make a pat rule like “I always ignore the Pacific…” sooner or later your buddies are gonna get wise and take advantage–as Axis OR Allies…
Ozone27
the problem for the allies when japan relies on air power is that japan starts out with (and usually doesn’t lose) like 5 fighters and a bomber…does it seem to you that they just might be able to hold off the US subs, who by the way, can’t retaliate against airborne units.
I always thought Japan was the best country since everybody always seems to neglect the South Pacific. Plus Japan is capable of accomplishing all sorts of feats: conquering Africa, taking Moscow, blitzing London, and crossing into the Atlantic. In no way could it have happened in real life but here it does.
I like playing with US the most
