Whatever happened in the Red Square, Russia is back as the key world geopolitical player and again possesses equipment that matches the best of what resides in Western arsenals.
All power to the soviets
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I like to attack the US fleet at Hawaii with my airforce, keeping my navy safely out of range. It doesn’t help the mainland but with enough transports one can easily build a nice attacking force there.
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Well that is where you and I disagree. I personally think that its GOOD to have America on your ass AND NOT ON GERMANY’S ASS!! Germany can beat Britan and Russia, and America will have a tough time beating Japan. Btw I usually keep my trn out of the attacks, NCM them below Hawaii, then move in to Threaten Brazil and South Africa. Hope we can get a good game in.
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As far as the russia first turn attack goes:
Germany CAN and WILL defend against russian and a Uk assault. Germany gains much more money than russian every turn and therefore has the power to purchase a minimum of 4 tanks 4 men every turn to push eastward…protecting the western flank is not difficult if american is not involved…russia must attack on the first turn to survive otherwise germany can take karelia in about 2-3 turns despite the hoards of infantry and from there its just a matter of time before they take russia…and when one capital falls the game is basically over. -
Finally someone who agrees with me :smile:
I also dont think if Russia doesnt attack 1st turn it dooms them. Without allied help, yes Germany can take Russia 2nd or 3rd turn, but at the very least you’ll have some british fighters in there. that could make all the difference.
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Back on the original topic - attacking the Axis with Russia to reduce their infantry to zero is a good idea - unless you get lucky. What if you accidentally win? That’s happened to me before and I wound up stuck in an exposed territory.
Also, it’s a tough strategy to pursue when the Axis concentrates their fighters. When Germany has 4 fighters in Eastern Europe - you can expect high casualties if you attack them.
Also, if the Axis bring AA guns into those territories - using the precious Russian air force will be risky.
I guess it really depends on how formidable the Russians’ offensive capability is. If the Russians devote a lot of tanks to the attack - they may get good results - just pray they don’t win. Otherwise, the Russians may wind up with significantly more losses than kills.
Personally, I like to go after exposed fighters and tanks when I get the chance - but who doesn’t?
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Drunken Lies’ strategy of not recreating Pearl Harbor is one I toyed with in the past. The biggest problem, in my mind, is that it creates a huge question mark. What will the US do with that aircraft carrier?
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The US consolidates their Pacific Fleet and sets out to destroy Japan. This is what Japan wants. One of the drawbacks of attacking Hawaii is that it leaves Japan’s fleet exposed to counter attack from the US battleship and air force. If Japan makes the US come to them off the coast of Japan, the US fleet will be exposed to counter attack from the Japanese airforce and any other naval units that were on duty elsewhere. It will also draw US resources away from the battle in Europe.
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The US consolidates their fleet in the Pacific and starts island-hopping. Again - this requires a major investment from the US. They have to bulk up their fleet with subs and transports, commit men to those transports, commit fighters to the aircraft carrier, possibly commit their bomber to any attacks. This all spells good news for Germany and is not really a major threat to Japan. Sure, Japan will loose a few IPC’s, but it also could potentially bring the US fleet in range of Japanese land-based fighters and bombers. Meanwhile, Japan is pushing hard on Russia.
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The US sends their Pacific fleet to the Atlantic. This is problematic. In many games I’ve played, Britain buys an aircraft carrier on round one and the US lands their fighters on it on their 1st round. If the Americans sent their Pacific fleet to the Atlantic, that need for GB to buy a carrier is removed - freeing 18 IPCs for other use - say a bomber. OR, GB could go ahead with their plans of building a carrier and the US could send their fleet into the Mediterranean - ending the German dreams of African conquest.
2 of the 3 scenarios are good for the Axis, but the huge question mark still remains. What will the US do with their fleet?
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Any good U.S. player will do #3. No matter what happens at Hawaii, the US and Japan annihilate each other there, then the US turns to Germany. Any Pacific offensive early in the game dooms the Allies in Europe.
Japan must destroy the fleet so the US doesn’t already have a navy to use against Germany.
Zug, zug
[ This Message was edited by: Kycan on 2001-12-14 15:58 ]
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I agree. Hell, I even TRY to make the Us attack spend resources on me, even luring him over with unguarded transports.
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I’ve seen it where Japan attacks Hawaii and be left with two battleships.
My question to the board is this…
Would you counterattack the two battleships at Hawaii?
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Most definitely. Attack them with your battleship, transport, 2 fighters, and the bomber. You’ll lose your transport and a fighter or two, but now your lined up to take out the Japanese transports in the home islands. Japanese fighters will commited in Asia, you rebuild your US fleet for amphibious operations in Russian Asia. This secures Russia’s north-eastern back door, threatens the Japanese in south-Asia, and forces defensive unit build up in the Japanese capitol. This gives all Russian attention to Germany, and with British help in both regions, this will spell Allied victory…
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…. In Asia, and dooming the allies in Europe. Think, If you want to put 10 infantry onto the Russian Mainland, thats 5 transports (You don’t have to buy each one to get 10 ther, but you do need to account for losses from Japaneese fighters) And 10 infantry. Thats 40 + 30 = 70 IPCs. Thats 2 and a half turns of buying. 2 and a half turns less in europe or africa. Germany will overun britan and russia.
In response to your question, I would counter attack the 2 battleships with 1 battleship 1 figher, the odds arent that great, but they arent that bad either. And there is more potential for Japaneese loss. I’d not attack with the transport purely so I can get it into the Atlantic faster.
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The USA transporting forces to Asia doesn’t necessarily doom Europe. US subs can take the hits from what remains of Japan’s air force, if the player wishes to remove his fighters from the Asian attacks (only infantry without IC’s ???). American fleet presence weakens Japans strike power (with no Japanese transports and only say 1 IC). The British coming from Africa cuts them from the south-west. With most of Russian NP restored by Britian/US in Asia with this pincer movement, I don’t see how the Russian’s can’t delay Germany indefinitely…
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I agree with the Field Marshall. If the US does go for the Pacific they can take all of the islands in a few turns. This is good beacuse they are worth 9 IPCs. That’s pretty close to half of Japan’s starting income.
The other factor in this is delaying the Axis. If the Russians are very good at all they can hold off the Germans and the British air force can keep the heat off of africa. The Allies also need to find troops to keep territorys in asia though. This is done with at least a british IC and the russians sending 2 infantry east every turn. Then Japan is weak, the Germans are pretty frusterated and the allies are in good shape to kill them. -
good idea,maybe it would work for a while but all it really does is stall the enemy.You need to have good teamates for it to be effective
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Britain should not worry about africa, USA should instead. Britain should help Russia, and Russia already has her hands full.
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I would like to agree with the field marshall vs. yanny. you really don’t need to tear away massive resources from the atlantic to save the russian’s backside. just by diverting some of their troops north in T2, you buy yourself at least one turn, even more if you can get some aircraft against those unprotected transports - i’m liking the idea of not engaging the us fleet.
I’m also liking the idea of attacking to destroy infantry to fore stall attacks. I’ll experiment with that… esp. with my german fighters vs. UK navy in T1, just blow the transports and leave the B.S. but I’m still convinced that no russian attack anywhere can keep germany out of moscow. I agree with the drunken liar.
there are 9 inf in three countries boardering karelia, if you take a mere 8 casualties, then only 12 men stand between my 7 tanks and moscow? 12 at 33% or 7 at 50% hmmmm. I don’t know, and that’s i think assuming the germans defend poorly. but I really do like the infantry killing idea, very progressive…
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