• i said yes because many people in germany hated how the lost expecially the “jew hater” lol.
    anyways also because germany saw the advantage of how gb got weaker

    • germans were tired of paying money of a war that was not evil vs. good
      also a&a ww1 would be a&c europe
      lol
      “Evil always wins the wars” thats why the allies won says hitler!

  • I think that you all make good points; however, you all seem to target the European theater.  I understand that WWI was dominantly a European conflict.  But to be a world war don’t we need to cover things that happened between China and Japan?  Had Europe decided to play nice I think that Japan would still had intentions of moving heavier into the mainland.

    I am not trying to pick a fight I respect your opinions and want your insight on this.


  • ww1 started ww2 japan was attking china b4 ww2 because of some mishaps then japanese started taking islands instead of  gaining more chinese ground…

    then chinese peeps waited for japan to attack usa also usa had 1 aircraft carrier in the pacific in 1941-1943 because the japs blew up the other ones or was it 1941-1944 lol anyways that aircraft carrier stood many battles japan would have won the battle no offense japanese got unlucky like dice rolls lol

  • 2007 AAR League

    to a degree.  i’m doing a professional book report on the book _Cataclysm _:the first world war as political tragedy, and its a superb book.

    everyone you ever ever ever needed to know about WWI.  it doesnt go that much into depth in the battles, but covers major aspects of battles, but its really all about background.  its awesome.

    its argued in a part in the book that the Versailles treaty didnt necessarily have to create the second world war, but certain demands(primarily by the french) and then the inability of france to back up those threats of force in case of noncompliance certainly exacerbated the problem.

    a lot of things had to go wrong in the perfect way at the perfect times to create possibilities for a new conflict.__


  • hmmm hope you get a good mark dude/dudet


  • Europe had become fairly interdependent prior to WW1. I remember reading about all the distributors in all the cars made in Europe were made by Bosch in Germany. There were other examples of interdependency  but that’s the one that comes to mind. With that type of business going on fighting a massive war was stupid from a business standpoint.

    Since the hot headed nature of Europian politics had changed so much by the 1930’s you needed to have a few lunatics take charge in a couple countries. Enter Adolf and Benito. Keeping Italy in check would have been little problem for the major powers. Hitler’s Germany on the other hand was a different story. Since a major part of Hitler’s rise was due to him promising to erase the disgrace of the Versailles Treaty I have to say WW1 had something to do with WW2 being fought.

    Back to that hot head thing. With most Europian leaders being much more level headed than their predecessors I don’t think a major Europian war was likely without the likes of Hitler. As for the PTO. Let’s be real. We b!tch slapped the Nips with 15% of our economic might then gave them a couple nice parting gifts. Japan against The USA, and her Europian allies would have been over before the Japanese were done celebrating Pearl Harbor.


  • Ok the reason for the allies winning ww1 was because of italy if italy stayed with the centrals then the centrals would have the ottomans, bulgaria, germany, austro-hungarian empire and italy. I have played many games with ww1 and without usa the allies would have won still. (the allies mostly great britian tricked, usa, by making the mexican telegram and allowing the americans to find it to make a war agasinst the centrals.
    Italy was the deciding factor of ww1 if italy stayed centrals then italy would make a new front for france and for allieing the allies a new front opens up for the centrals you do the math also italy was a bigger factor in ww1 but not so much as ww2


  • Italy back stabbed the Central powers in WW1 because she could take more land from the Hapsburgs than from anyone else. Without Italy fighting against the Austro-Hungarians Russia would have had more pressure to deal with and may have folded sooner. This would have freed more German units to fight in the west sooner. Add in an Italian attack on France and it’s easy to see the France being overrun.

    One would have to wonder how things would have turned out for the Ottomans had the Italians fought on the Central side. The Brits would have had to deal with another naval force in the Mediterranean. How would this have effected their operations against the Turks in the Mid-East? Had Russia been knocked out sooner could the Turks have thrown more forces into the south to face the Brits? I could see this additional pressure on GB effecting operations in Africa also.

    More Turks and Gerries plus some Italian presence for the Brits to face on the minor fronts. More Austro-Hungarian troops for the Russians to face. More German soldiers and the Italian Army hitting the Western Front before the Americans get involved. How likely is it WW2 gets fought in this scenario?


  • Thank you for agreeing with me (my friends do not beleive me though)  that the italians gave the war to the allied side.
    i would like to pinot out that great britian was very mean in ww1 they made false promises in ww1 to italy to get 3 free islands they got none of them

    See what i’m saying also i would like to point out that the italians joined the allies becaus eof the paris pact (dang, Them!) in ww1 the germans did not want to conquer as much all they actually wanted was to defend them selves really.


  • I’d say the Treaty of Versailles factored heavily into Germany going back to war, along with the fact they were still feeling the sting from the “traitors” who ran the country in WWI, whom they felt backstabbed them into throwing in the towel.


  • “great britian was very mean in ww1”

    I’ve always found it ironic how barbaric the Brits were in their colonies and how they portrayed the Germans in WW1. Lord Kitchener caused thousands of women and children to die in concentration camps during the Boer War. Yet he was held up as a person of high morale character even in the U.S. Remember the “Uncle Sam Wants You” posters were inspired by the “Lord Kitchener Wants You” posters that were all over G.B. It’s sad what horrors man can ignore of it suits his own interests.


  • @Subotai:

    until now, war that Europeans have been fighting since before 500 B.C.  Reasons have never changed, explanations and propaganda have changed quite a lot.

    I like the “larger picture” viewpoint expressed here. It’s almost more philosophical than anything else. We as humans, are a conquering species, constantly at war for one anothers resources and territory. We collectively at base instinct, in my opinion, are insatiable, selfish and greedy. Hence wherever man is gathered you will find curruption to these degrees. It cracks me up when people say there’s so much blood on the hands of “the government” or “organized religion”. Try wherever mankind gathers in masses. There you will find these things. It’s what we are.

    Now on a smaller more specific scale, I believe the Treaty of Versailles caused WW2. Hands down. Our US delegate, (I don’t feel like looking up his name to remember) would not sign that treaty and said something to the degree of “I see 21 wars in this treaty.” …or something to that degree (sorry if I misquoted)

    That treaty was drawn up and then carried out in the manner of revenge and the poverty stricken and vastly anti sematic climate was ripe for a national socialist movement to become a solution to Germany’s woes. The Allies were demmanding that Germany, in addition to paying astronomical restitutions on many levels were also demmanding the army hand over thousands of veterans to become prisoners. Hate was in the air and I believe this treaty ultimately, was the match that lit the proverbial kindling.

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