Hey everyone, I have a question about airplanes movement. When using airplanes for combat, ALL AIRPLANES must have a valid landing area. Is that correct? A valid landing area includes aircraft carrier. So if a player were to send some planes in a naval battle, you cannot send more planes than your AC capacity (if no other landing area).

EG : Player X attacks a fleet. He possess no island or friendly territory and only two aircraft carriers can move into the area for planes to land. Because of that, the maximum of airplanes (Fighter or Tac) is limited to 4. Is that correct?

I found the following rules :

• An air unit that moves in the Combat Move phase must generally reserve part of its move value for the Noncombat Move phase, at which point it must return to a safe landing spot using its remaining movement.

• list itemAn air unit’s movement in any complete turn is limited to its total move value. Thus, a strategic bomber with a move value of 6 can’t move 6 spaces to get to a hostile space. It must save enough movement points to get to a friendly territory where it can land. A fighter or tactical bomber can move its full 4 spaces to attack in a sea zone instead of saving movement, but only if a carrier could be there for it to land on by the conclusion of the Mobilize New Units phase.

So if my understanding is correct, you cannot send more planes than valid landing zone, and that includes aircraft carriers. This rule is only checked BEFORE the resolution of combat. So an Aircraft carrier could be sunk, but the combat move would still remain valid because it was valid at the time of the player declared its moves.

Anyone with solid math/stats background can vouch for one of the calculator out there? Which one do you generally use?

I’ve tried these two :
https://www.aatoolkit.com/conflict
https://aacalc.freezingblue.com/

Results show enormous difference for the same battle.

Look --> looking, my mistake!

@Makalakalane : Look at the map, I think Allies can still win. Do you want to swap side and keep going with the current game?

@Makalakalane Good game

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 114 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from Southern France to Gibraltar

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 2 fighters
            Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Italians roll dice for 2 fighters in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 5 infantry
            Americans defend with 2 artilleries, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 5 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Gibraltar, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Gibraltar, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 5 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Gibraltar, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Gibraltar
            Italians win, taking Gibraltar from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 artilleries and 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern France
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 114 Sea Zone to Germany
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France

    Place Units - Italians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Southern France
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -1,50
Americans : -2,00
Russians : -0,50

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 fighter and 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        7 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Finland
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        3 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Romania
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Romania
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Gibraltar
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Finland
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        7 armour, 4 artilleries, 19 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Novgorod
        Battle in Romania
            Germans attack with 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Romania, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians, taking Romania from Russians with 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Germans attack with 8 armour, 4 artilleries, 19 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 4 artilleries, 19 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 12/35 hits, 9,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
            Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 4 artilleries, 17 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 3 infantry
        Battle in Finland
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                AA fire in Finland : 1/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 9 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Finland, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 aaGuns owned by the Russians lost in Finland
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 6 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Finland, round 3 : 2/9 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Finland, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Finland, round 4 : 4/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Finland, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
            Germans win, taking Finland from Russians with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 7 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
             retreated to Baltic States
            Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 2 artilleries and 1 harbour
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Gibraltar
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Gibraltar, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Gibraltar, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Gibraltar
            Germans win, taking Gibraltar from Americans with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 artilleries

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Algeria
        1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 aaGuns moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Romania to Germany
        4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Western Germany
        1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Norway to Finland
        1 aaGun moved from Norway to Finland
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Finland to Norway
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 6 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        10 infantry placed in Germany
        2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 infantry placed in France
        1 infantry placed in France
        Germans undo move 4.
        1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 2,50
Americans : 0,00
AA fire in Finland : : 0,50
Russians : 2,67

Savegame

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 fighter and 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        7 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Finland
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        3 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Romania
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Romania
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Gibraltar
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Finland
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        7 armour, 4 artilleries, 19 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland

Savegame

@Makalakalane : No worries. This game often makes me rage. In some of IRL games, we often end up accusing each others of cheating (not seriously) by not throwing the dices properly. Some would even ask the other players to reroll certains dices because they didn’t roll when thrown in the box!

Speak of the devil, here’s some luck/bad luck -_-

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from Southern France to Gibraltar

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry
            Americans defend with 3 artilleries, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
            1 bomber owned by the Italians retreated
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Gibraltar, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 3 artilleries in Gibraltar, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Gibraltar, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 3 artilleries in Gibraltar, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
            Americans win with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern France
        1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 3 submarines moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 armour moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry placed in Southern France
        5 infantry placed in Northern Italy
        1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -2,00
Americans : 1,67

Savegame

@Makalakalane : I don’t know if the game is lost. From an economical point of view, it seems the Allies are still ahead.

Since I’m playing the European Axis, Germany + Italy are having a hard time fighting on multiple fronts. The eastern front is almost stabilized, I think, so that’s obviously not good, but Norway and Finland may remain contested for awhile. Africa is gone and will remain so as long as Italy is stuck defending. While not having England on my back ease some of the pressure, the trade-off is more pressure from Russia.

Just like how you guys convinced us to keep playing in that first game, that’s about the only thing I can offer.