“Moses, you are leftist. Leftists are for Gay Rights, Tariffs, Cloning, Abortion, Euthanasia, Socialism/Communism, etc.”
Nah, if this were true, I would be a Democrat (and God wishes that’ll never happen). Also, I’m not sure I stated my entire positions on what was mentioned above and this has to be taken in account for. Remember, leftist and conservative is not totally black and white. There are almost always shades of gray. For instance, Gay rights, I do not think that they [gay couples] should have “more” rights than those of ordinary couples.
“A couple of conservative opinions does not make you conservative”
Same as how a couple of leftist opinions does not make me leftist. But to be fair, why don’t you count up all the “leftist” points and compare them with all the “rightist” points. I’m sure the answer will be revealed when this happens.
“What Republican hates capitalism? Or is for legalizing drugs and prostitution?”
Notice this is where the “radical” conservative part fits in (in accordance with capitalism). Actually a lot of Republicans (“New Guard” at least) are for drug legalization and prostitution. Remember, legalization does not mean approval. I may not “approve” of alcohol because of its side effects, but I don’t think that we should prohibit it. This is big problem with the Republican “Old Guard” (which may be what you’re thinking about), is that they turn a blind eye to what is happening in the real world.
“Why do you think they are not already legalized? Conservatives!”
For the moment, Conservatives do hold the slim majorities in Washington. However, this will change soon. A key problem with the Republican is their inability to change (a fallacy of being conservative) with the times. The Republican Primaries for the governorship of California being a prime example.
“will, for once, agree with YB about the conservative issue.”
Ha, at least I got you to agree on something. Behold the glory!
“i find it more curious”
perhaps, as time moves on, you’ll unravel more of the “true” plot.
“Leftist, anyway here in France, are not for Gay Rights & Clonings. Chirac (The right, even if he is more Leftish than the Democrat) AND Jospin (Left) were against the right from Gay couple to adopt children as long as it was not proven that it was not a bad thing for the children (for now it seem it is not a good thing).”
Well, I guess more studies will have to be conduct before we’ll know the “true answer.” However, I will say (and this is entirely an opinion – without looking at the stats) that a gay couple would probably have a better chance of raising a child than that of a single parent.
@cystic:
HFW - you forgot to mention aliens!
also i think that they should teach ethics rather than morality. I think you and i have different morals to begin with, but we might have some consensus on certain ethical views. . . .
ok…lets come up with a list ;)
Why do i have to be christian holy to be conservative. no one has ever came up with any good reasons why gays can’t have children besides “the other kids make fun of them.” fun is good!
btw i consider myself moderate, slightly more conservative. but all of the holy rollers think i’m moderate liberal. Is that possible?
BTW cloning will destroy mankind. i wrote a short story about it, i’ll post it if you are interested in reading.
“overseas” i do not believe in full open immigration for countries where terrorism is threatening to us (not just arab countries.) We need intensive background checks, but in my opinion arabs are some of our best americans. they are very knowledgeable and work very hard.
“BTW cloning will destroy mankind. i wrote a short story about it, i’ll post it if you are interested in reading.”
Oh Really? Is it anything like Gattaca or The Boys from Brazil?
“Why do i have to be christian holy to be conservative. no one has ever came up with any good reasons why gays can’t have children besides “the other kids make fun of them.” fun is good!”
Well, I was never a “true” Christian and I’m conservative. Nor have been my parents. But (stereotypical as it seems) the truth is that most Republicans are WASPs. Also, I’m not sure what’s wrong with gay parenting. People say that there’s a motherly affection that can only come from a women, but I seem to find this false. Another problem would be kids making fun of other kids that have only a single parent, a parent “mentally unstable,” or parents that have been divorced. Does that mean we should outlaw divorce and single parenting?
““overseas” i do not believe in full open immigration for countries where terrorism is threatening to us (not just arab countries.) We need intensive background checks, but in my opinion arabs are some of our best americans. they are very knowledgeable and work very hard.”
Immigration is a very touchy subject because if you come off too hard people think you’re a “racist” (much like racial profiling). Yet something has to be done about immigration. I vehemently oppose closing it (some “ultra-conservatives” forget that immigration is one of the fundamental aspects that makes America great), but more effective screening is needed like you said.
The first thing i am going to say is that I am RACIST! :) okay well my opinion on the Drug Issue, is this. Drugs are a threat to our society and purity and must not be legalized. in fact, Drugs must be wiped out of our culture and soiciety and the only way to do that is with FEAR. if u make the punishment for dealing drugs Execution with out trial, no body is going to do it, or almost nobody. and if there are no dealers then there will be less drugs and the issue will reduce in size. also i think the USA should get all Barbara Streisand on Canada cus if drugs are legalized in Canada it will increas our problems here. and i think the USA should openly admit to sending troops to south amercia and stop trying to hide it and jsut send every F***ing thing down there to rid of the feilds and sellers. i beleive that alchohol is bad and is a nother menace in our society. i think we should take a much less radical aproach to then my DRUG plan. but still do more then we are doing now. Tabacco, we should jsut march in with the Marines and destroy the counties Leadership. okay now my veiws on Immagration. i beleive we should crack down on this like a NAZI on JEW. if we find ILegal immigrants in this country we should deport them, no questions asked. i beleive in Racial Profiling cus if u try to be Politicaly correct all the time its not gonna work out. i think if people go on welfare they should be Sterylized this way they wont infect the earth with there scum. this will also help make USA a more White country. :) i think Cloning is a great idea. cloning cows and animals for food will help save many citizens of this country from starvation. i think the idea of SUING is the Stupidest thing on earth. i beleive in Helath Care. i think the gov should get more involved with Youth programs. kinda like the HJ in NAzi Germany. Freedom of Relgeon is okay in my book, but religeon should not control the State. Gays and Lesbianbs are okay as long as they dont do anymore Gay pride paraids. i think Rap and other Genre of music and Video should be censored on issues like Drugs Rape and degenerating women or ANTI Gov. i beleive that Law Enforce ment should have a hell of allot more rights. i think we should icrease the standard tax but take away other pointless taxes. if u are Homless or unemployed for over 4 months u are automaticly drafted into the Army. so thats about all i have to say about that. :) and um Axis and Allies RULES! and may all of u have a great day i might be registering an acount later this month so ill talk to u then and i hope that the ANTI Druggies win this debate :)
and for the tabacco thing i meant Companies not Counties :)
Key advice Guest, take the time to go over what you write. Nobody is forcing you to hurry up on what you have to say. Be sure to skip a line whenever you move into a new subject, so everything can be easily kept track of. I was lost more than once in trying to decipher what you had to say.
sry about that mate im just a shity tyeper :( and im constantly talkin back and fourth and i was eating aswell so i naturally did a bad job :)
please,
anything but Barbara Streisand.
We can handle your wussy little infantry, but BS would just be inhumane.
I think the US policing the world is a dangerous concept. I am all for RCMP helping “legitimate” governments provide appropriate training for their police forces etc., but the idea of an US based military unit invading foreign sovereignties over its drug policies is problematic (i.e. we’re well past the thin edge of the wedge here).
I am anti-drug to some degree, but i am also anti-criminalizing non-criminals.
i have more to respond to guess, but the pool is calling me right now.
@TG:
America spends at least $20 billion a year to fight a losing battle against drugs.
We’ve spent billions of dollars on research to fight AIDS also. Is AIDS gone yet? No. But it’s making a difference…
im pro legalizing pot for medicinal purposes, possibley even for normal recreation. but the hard drugs should stay illegal.
having used pot for recreational purposes, i think its not to bad, and not nearly as destructive as alcahol. i dont do either one right now, as i have internet for escapism and whatnot. just tax it as you would tabacco and use the money for drug education and treatment.
pot has definate medicinal purposes for certain types of ailments. i watched my best friends dad dying of colon cancer, a horrible way to go. he was basically starving to death, because he was so nausious he couldnt eat. doctors figured he had at most 3 months to live, as he was basically starving, on top of the cancer. he was also considering suicide, as his life was so unbearable. once he was convinced by his family to start smoking pot, he GAINED weight, and lived another 18 months, and lived halfway decently too. smoking pot made his last 18 months tolerable, and sometimes even enjoyable. without pot, my best friend would have had to watch his dad die horribly, and much sooner. with the pot, my best friend was able to enjoy the last year with his dad, and when his dad died, he had a smile, and was not in agony.
i also firmly believe that if we spent half as much money on drug education and treatment as we do on the "war"on drugs, we would have alot less problems than we do now. education is the key to a working, happy, peaceful society. as a testament to education, the reason i dont smoke is that when i was very young, our school did some tabacco education, and after finding out what it could do to me, i chose not to smoke, even with the intense peer presure for me to smoke.
heck, legalizing pot and taxing the crap out of it would probably pay for a large portion of the rest of the war on drugs…
im pro legalizing pot for medicinal purposes, possibley even for normal recreation. but the hard drugs should stay illegal.
having used pot for recreational purposes, i think its not to bad, and not nearly as destructive as alcahol. i dont do either one right now, as i have internet for escapism and whatnot. just tax it as you would tabacco and use the money for drug education and treatment.pot has definate medicinal purposes for certain types of ailments. i watched my best friends dad dying of colon cancer, a horrible way to go. he was basically starving to death, because he was so nausious he couldnt eat. doctors figured he had at most 3 months to live, as he was basically starving, on top of the cancer. he was also considering suicide, as his life was so unbearable. once he was convinced by his family to start smoking pot, he GAINED weight, and lived another 18 months, and lived halfway decently too. smoking pot made his last 18 months tolerable, and sometimes even enjoyable. without pot, my best friend would have had to watch his dad die horribly, and much sooner. with the pot, my best friend was able to enjoy the last year with his dad, and when his dad died, he had a smile, and was not in agony.
i also firmly believe that if we spent half as much money on drug education and treatment as we do on the "war"on drugs, we would have alot less problems than we do now. education is the key to a working, happy, peaceful society. as a testament to education, the reason i dont smoke is that when i was very young, our school did some tabacco education, and after finding out what it could do to me, i chose not to smoke, even with the intense peer presure for me to smoke.
heck, legalizing pot and taxing the crap out of it would probably pay for a large portion of the rest of the war on drugs…
i like your take on the subject. Marijuana users are not true “criminals” anymore than people who rip the label off of their matresses.
w.r.t. medicinial marijuana - there still needs to be more studies out on the subject before a “good” physician will prescribe it. So far all that’s been shown is that it is comparable to tylenol (anecdotal evidence notwithstanding).
the medicinal purposes of pot arent just pain relief. in the case of my friends father, it reduced his nasea, and of course the well known side affect of “the munchies” was very, very beneficial in this case. tylenol and most other pain relievers just upset his stomach even more than it was already.
“We’ve spent billions of dollars on research to fight AIDS also. Is AIDS gone yet? No. But it’s making a difference…”
Totally different analogy. Whereas in AIDs we are able to formulate drugs capable of slowing down the ravaging effects of HIV, though no exact cure is yet to be found (in part to the virus’s ability to change rapidly). However, in the war against drugs, studies show that we have not been able to curve the influx of drugs into our borders – in fact, it is easier to obtain drugs more than ever (in part to the considerable rewards of importing it and home growers). Also, in this country not much off the population “wants” AIDs, though that would not be in the same case as drugs.
Most of the population doesn’t “want” drugs either.
In my opinion, with better politicians, wiser choices, and the military guarding our borders, we’d have a lot better chance of curbing the drug traffic into this country. I don’t think it’s a waste of money at all to try and protect harmful substances from entering this country.
“In my opinion, with better politicians, wiser choices, and the military guarding our borders, we’d have a lot better chance of curbing the drug traffic into this country.”
This is true. But how will we get “better politicians” or “wiser choices.” I would like to hope the senators and representatives we voted for were making the wisest of choices. It’s funny to point out how everybody is willing to say, “Put me in Washington DC, and I a do job better all the combined!” - yet hardly any action (an rarely “good” action) comes out of this. Military can guard our borders (sure beats sending them halfway around the world) might work, but it’s very easy to smuggle drugs through customs. Unless you’re willing to search every person, plane, car, or ship/boat, drugs can still be shipped in the US with a relative ease.
By better politicians, I mean ones that regard the safety of American citizens over that of a political agenda. Case-in-point, is George W. Bush, in which he granted amnesty to the illegal aliens living in our country. Purely a political move for the Mexican vote, it’s also a danger to our country and a burden on our resources.
I would like to hope that they’re making the wisest of choices also, but it doesn’t always happen. :wink:
Hey guys, I found some very interesting statistics on this topic…check it out: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/duc.htm
What’s my view on drugs?
Simple, I spoke pot fairly regularly. I’d say a good 30% or more of the people I know smoke pot, or have smoked pot…perhaps higher (no pun intended). I find it relaxing and conducive to jovial friendly behaviour. I can’t say that I have ever seen a person become angry, aggressive, violent or the like, while under the influence of pot.
I also am quite responsible with it, as are the vast majority of people I have ever met who use this drug. I never drive while on it. Indeed, a huge majority of people are paranoid while driving under the influence of pot…so they avoid doing so. I don’t smoke it in the presence of impressionable younger people. Virtually 100% of the time, it is either in my own home, or at a friends.
I avoid all other harder drugs like the plague. I never smoke it when something important needs to be done. I never smoke it before, during, or anywhere near work. I would never attempt brain surgery, flying a plane, operating a hand saw, clearing the dishes, taking out the garbage, or reading anything more than the TV guide or a comic strip. In short, smoking pot is suitable only for playing games, or when combined with drinking with friends, watching TV or a movie, playing cards, listening to music, making love, bantering about meaningless philosophical insights, laughing silly at stupid things, spilling things on the floor, and the like. The notion of impaired judgement and motor control being a significant drawback in various scary and dangerous scenarios misses the point: when you are high on pot, you are not the least interested in doing anything other than what I have outlined above. Well, those and of course…eating any junk food in sight. When you are high…you are not insane. No one gets high on pot and then decides to go out and fly a plane. Jesus, you can’t even play your flight simulator game on ‘easy’ without crashing every 5 seconds…and you are well aware of that fact.
The statistics on marijuana related deaths or serious injury are miniscule at best. We would be far better off banning anyone on a heart medication from driving than we are fear mongering about homicidal pot maniacs crashing their cars. Seriously…check out the stats on fatalities and injuries from heart attacks and strokes while driving. Now, I would never recommend anyone drive while stoned, and certainly, in any individual situation, I’ll take my chances on the other guy not having a heart attack, rather than someone driving while high on pot…but, despite the very wide scale prevalence of pot…we don’t actually have a serious, or even minor problem with death or serious injury. Funny how that works eh?
As for talk of gateway drugs…poppycock. Show me a valid study anywhere in the world that backs that up. It is also interesting to me that the following professions are statistically in the highest quartile of marijuana usage: doctor, lawyer, policeman, journalist, performing artist. Strange that they are not all zombies.
Soft drugs/recreational drugs…OK…your moral choice and not addictive.
Hard drugs…not OK, addictive & wasting, no longer your choice.
Legalize the soft stuff…pour the saved money into education and rehabilitation for victims of the hard stuff.
SUD
Great post, I enjoyed reading it :lol:
i say F*** Drugs and i include Weed in that catagory! they are a Cancer to society and must be Eliminated!
