Arctic ocean is great for Germany to operate in, only Russia can fight there with precious aircraft…
what kind of operation do you suggest?
***well I said I like to build arty guns, more arty than inf in fact. That way when I approach and capture Russian ics I can build inf from them to go with my arty stack. Also troops from London reinforce Norway G4. G5 they take Finland back, and you counter invade Kar/Archangel/Lenningrad from Arctic ocean….
but it is a real slow approach into russia! it takes too much time, doesn´t it? so you need to be real sure about not being harrassad on the other side of the continent, which is quite possible on round 5. what do you think?
First I want to say that in all the games I’ve played with a successful sealion, the US has never recaptured London. I’m not saying its impossible, I am sure that if US went 100% atlantic they might be able to get into London, but it really is easy for Germany to hold it.
please explain to me, how you would do this. you can build only 3 troops per round, the navy is not really strong etc. i doubt this statement england being easy to defend…
I’ll give you a run down of my moves, starting from the invasion. G3 invasion of England. G4 fleet brings some troops back to Europe to deal with Russian incursion, sink Russian bb if possible but it probably now moves out to block Germ fleet. G5, sink russian bb, invade via Arctic ocean because Russia cannot block there and it is only 3 spaces from WGerm. Also thanks to SeaLion I have 12-13 trns, so I can even send a few off to die if it means I get some mobility out of them. Also G5 I shoulder up to Romania and vacate Yugo, hoping to draw russians into the Balkans where they do not get 3 extra ipcs for capturing a territory. G6 fleet returns to Atlantic. Usually my CV and a dd plus any remaining subs are on station trying to put pressure on Gib.
what do you mean by “shouldering up” romania? i do not get it. and where does the fleet move? to gibraltar or to the seazones around england?
With the addition of my CA and BB now I have a real force. I should mention that I like to leave my lvl bmbs and 1 ftr 1 tac on London to support the fleet. G7 is an invasion of Gibraltar and meshing of the German and Italian fleets into a large defensive fleet in Gibraltarsz.
this is too obvious, no? by US6 there should already be a considerable force to take down this small german fleet. if not, then a block is easy to install, so i think, that a G7-capture of gibraltar is nothing more than a nice idea…
All this is predicated on a US strat that is not 100% Atlantic. If it is 50% or less then the axis have the war in hand and do not have to worry about the US until US 8, and by then the Axis have a stranglehold on the EUSsz. Now of course there are going to be counters, but the US would have to know in advance that I plan on holding the Atlantic on lockdown and slowly grinding down Russia.
the hold of the atlantic is your only chance to win since your strategy needs a lot of time! 5 turns only to touch russian borders!
but what do you mean by " a US strat not 100% atlantic"? (finally, it is never 100%, isn´t it? )
but it depends on what turn the US will be thrown into the war. maybe round three. or other way round: 6 rounds time to take london and denying an axis victory by liberating cairo or rome. it depends on the outcome of the german approach into russia.
i think, it is an interesting idea you have, but it fails to put a real pressure on the allied side, because russia can fortify its holdings for four turns (148 IPCs!!! plus troops worth 185 IPCs from the beginning) before it get scratched a bit on the surface and keeping this way germany contained. a decent counter-attack there can crush any advance then. depends on your moves where from it would happen, from belarus i guess, because you go mostly via northern routes.
even if you get 64 IPCs (London, scotland, normandy, france, finland, bulgaria, yugoslavia inluded) before taking over any russian territory it won´t help. conquering london is not done without considerable losses of planes etc. you need two turns to muster land-troops getting on an equal level with russia before being able to outproduce them, which means turn 6 at earliest. meanwhile russia can gain up to 42 IPCs, and if being able to conquer finland and romania even more: 50!
Russia also has a good chance to harass you in norway, not winning, but buying time with this, forcing germany to split forces, which results in more time being able to defend the capital and helping the US to free London. to hold london - if it is your idea to do so - germany has to split its income. another help for russia and the allies in whole.
til round 3 or 4 the US can build up - slowlier or faster - a better fleet than germany would be able to destroy. so retaking london is only a matter of time, turning a big german effort - sealion - into dust.
but we would have to try it out, wouldn´t we?