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October 10, 1945, saw the official abolishment of the Nazi Party. The Allied Control Council issued their Law #2 to formally end the existence of the NSDAP and 60 related Nazi organizations.

The full text of this law and other proceedings is available in this rather large scanned document.

Law #1, issued September 20, concerned the repeal of Nazi laws.

It’s a strange thought that Nazi law and Nazi organizations formally continued to exist for months after the war had ended, even if clearly inoperative.

Market Garden commemoration day here, with 99-year old veteran Geoff Roberts.

https://www.nu.nl/311418/video/99-jarige-veteraan-krijgt-luid-applaus-bij-kranslegging-in-arnhem.html

It’s in Dutch, but the video says it all.

The US ‘Ghost Army’ was a unit specialized in deception: by building and operating mockups, they gave the Germans the impression of being a large army, drawing the enemy’s attention away from actual operations. They famously participated in Operation Fortitude in 1944, aimed at leading the Germans to believe that the allied invasion would occur somewhere else than it actually did. Later, they transferred to mainland Europe and continued to mislead the enemy.

Surviving veterans have now finally received their well-earned decorations.

@barnee said in On this day during W.W. 2:

Rich and powerful is who he blames. A communist maybe ? Roosevelt was a socialist, so whatever.

I take it that you’re not a big fan of either communism or socialism. But they’re not the same, and Roosevelt was neither. As for Zangara? Just another guy who blamed his own misfortunes on others. Ironically, as a bricklayer he would probably have had excellent opportunities in the late 1930s had he chosen a better path in life.

Not precisely a day “during W.W. 2”, but nevertheless very relevant to it, was February 15, 1933. On that day, Giuseppe Zangara tried to assassinate president-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt, a mere two weeks before his inauguration. Zangara was a desperate man of doubtful psychological stability and blamed his difficulties on the rich and the powerful. He was also quite short and not in the front row, so he had difficult taking his aim with taller people standing in front of him, climbed an unstable chair, and missed Roosevelt. Mrs. Lillian Cross, standing in front of him, turned around to bravely grab the arm holding the gun, but while others rushed to overpower Zangara, he did fire four more bullets. Several people were wounded, among them Mayor Anton Cermak of Chicago, who would die of his injuries a few weeks later. Zangara was initially convicted to 80 years in prison, but faced execution for murder a month later after Cermak had died.

Needless to say that history would have been dramatically different if Zangara had succeeded. That scenario has been the topic of speculation and fiction, most notably as the point of divergence in the well-known novel The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick.

Apollo Creed in the Rocky movies.

I was really sorry to learn that he passed away, he came across as a sympathetic guy.

Sorry to hear about your dad, ABW. I remember going through some of my family pictures after my mom passed away and kicking myself for not having asked her more about some of those.

Anyway, after some searching, I’m thinking that the ship in your picture could be USS San Jacinto (CVL-30). That ship was launched at New York on 26 September 1943 and Commissioned on 15 November. So what we could be seeing in the October picture, with cranes on either side of the ship, could be the New York Shipbuilding Corporation being busy finishing the ship.

In the left part of your picture, in the background, there appears to be a large and long building with structures on its roof. Here’s a picture of USS Kitty Hawk in 1960:

Now maybe, but this is just speculation, the building in the background of that picture is the same building as the one in yours, taken from a different angle. Rather a wild guess of mine and other details may not match, but things would also have changed at the wharf between 1943 and 1960.

January 12, 1945, saw the beginning of the Soviet Vistula-Oder offensive, led by the celebrated marshals Zhukov and Konev. The operation had been prepared for many months during which the Soviet amassed a force of such magnitude that Hitler refused to believe the incoming reports.

World War 2 was pretty much hopeless for the Germans at this time, but decisions made on either side would have a lasting impact on post-war Europe. Hitler had mostly lost his sense of reality and failed to order the trapped German forces in the Courland pocket home, where they could have helped defending; he even sent troops out to Hungary. Zhukov on the other hand, stopped the offensive at the Oder, just a bit over 40 miles from Berlin – but the Soviet front line had become dangerously extended, and he considered pushing on too dangerous.

They each had their detractors: Guderian fell out with Hitler about the failing defense and Chuikov with Zhukov about the stalled offensive. Plenty of room for alternative history writing: would the Soviets have been stopped before they reached the Oder if Guderian’s advice had been followed? Would they have taken Berlin if Chuikov had had his way?
The offensive was halted on February 2. Two days later, the Yalta conference started and all the decisions that would draw the map for decades to come were made.

January 2, 1942: 33 members of the Duquesne spy ring are convicted to prison terms in New York.

The Wikipedia lemma on Duquesne is worth having a look at. That man truly led a life of high adventure.

@witt said in Who would win?:

@kaleu how have you been? Been a while .

Thanks! I’ve been reading the forums but haven’t been too active.

Happy New Year!

@superbattleshipyamato said in Who would win?:

@crsluggo

Oh, I see what you mean. You meant that the Iowa would sink the Kongos before they ever got into 10 kilometre range. My mistake.

True enough, but your original premise was, that they would start at 10 km distance, so whether or not they could have reached that position is outside of that premise. You didn’t state their exact position, but let’s say that Iowa is in the center and the Kongo’s are approaching from all four directions.
Now, 10 km is just not very far for those big guns, so it stands to reason that they would start firing at each other right away, and it also stands to reason that they would typically hit their target. But let’s say that due to superior fire control, Iowa always hits, whereas the Kongo’s are 50% effective (I actually think they’d do better than that, at that range and closing in). The Kongo’s have 8 14" guns, Iowa has 9 16" guns.

Salvo 1: Iowa kills one Kongo but gets hit by 16 shells.
Salvo 2: Iowa kills one Kongo but gets hit by 12 shells.
Salvo 3: Iowa kills one Kongo but gets hit by 8 shells.
Salvo 4: Iowa kills one Kongo but gets hit by 4 shells.

I know that I’m adding a lot of assumptions here, but my vote goes to the Kongo’s. The first Japanese salvo alone, would just be too much to take.

And of course, all of this is quite unrealistic and would never have happened this way.

December 17, 1939: Germany’s Admiral Graf Spee is scuttled by her crew outside Montevideo harbor. This famous German commerce raider had been so succesful in the preceding months that the British and the French sent more than 20 ships to track her down. That culminated in the Battle of the River Plate, in which Admiral Graf Spee sustained critical damage. They found refuge in neutral but Allied-friendly Uruguay, but with no hope of getting the ship repaired and the prospect of the crew being interned, Captain Hans Langsdorff made the decision to scuttle her.

‘Panther’ seems a logical successor to the preceding ‘Leopard’, but as far as animals are concerned, ‘panther’ isn’t a separate species - it’s a term often used for black leopards. And the official Latin names of all the big cats start with Panthera, including Panthera tigris. So from that perspective, a Tiger is a Panther.

@superbattleshipyamato said in Biggest crime against ship preservation:

And which ship from world history?

From history - the Royal Charles. This English ship was captured by the Dutch in 1667, but it turned out to be unsuitable for the shallow Dutch coastal waters and was then turned into a tourist attraction. The English were far from happy about that situation, and the Dutch decided to scrap the ship after all in response to their complaints, keeping only a small part. But since the nations would soon be at war again anyway, they might just as well have kept the whole ship.
Whether it would have survived the centuries is quite another matter, but how cool would it have been to have an original 1655 ship of the line today!

@midnight_reaper Thanks, I was not aware of that.

March 5, 1943: first flight of the Gloster Meteor, the Allies’ only operational jet plane during WW2, from RAF Cranwell.

@ladymccormick Generally speaking, I wouldn’t recommend using speculative forum posts as source material for a university thesis. Anyway, for some more details, see: https://coolinterestingstuff.com/did-hitler-escape-to-spain
But I don’t really believe it, as I already explained in my 2016 reply to this topic (see above).

@superbattleshipyamato

No, we’re not. He changed his story and kept changing it. Witness accounts did not conform anything he said.
I’m not an expert on this, but what I found seems pretty convincing to me.

@superbattleshipyamato

There certainly were. The link I gave before, quotes Admiral Chester Nimitz: “We had about 4.5 million barrels of oil out there and all of it was vulnerable to .50-caliber bullets. Had the Japanese destroyed the oil, it would have prolonged the war another two years…”.
It’s also not too difficult to find a picture of those facilities, which indeed look like very tempting targets:

I suppose AB Worsham asked about the Red Hill Underground Fuel Storage Facility because if a lot of fuel would have already been stored there at the time of the attack, any third Japanese wave would have been unable to destroy that fuel.

When reading up on this, I came across the name of a very interesting fellow: Captain Mitsuo Fuchida. He was the leader of the first wave, and his accounts of what did or did not happen have been highly influential in (re-)writing history. Here are a few more links:

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2016/december/commander-fuchidas-decision

https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1601&context=nwc-review

And while I didn’t read all of that, it seems that no third wave was launched against the oil containers because (a) the Japanese didn’t think of them as very important, and (b) no third wave had ever been planned to begin with. It was only when Fuchida was questioned by what must have been some amazed American interrogators after the war, that he began to realize that the celebrated Japanese victory had actually not nearly been as devastating as it could have been, and that his own role in the whole affair was not nearly as glorious as he would have liked it to be. So he began to change his story in later years, and the whole affair of him and other Japanese officers urging Admiral Nagumo to launch a third wave, was really Fuchida’s fabrication and never actually happened that way.

@abworsham4 said in Japanese 3rd Wave at Pearl Harbor:

Question: How much of the Red Hill Underground Fuel Storage Facility was in use on December 7, 1941?

Nothing. According to https://www.asce.org/about-civil-engineering/history-and-heritage/historic-landmarks/red-hill-underground-fuel-storage-facility :

Work on the first tank was completed in September 1942