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L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam

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Path to Victory League Discussion

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@surfer said in Path to Victory League Discussion:

So played a few games and in the middle of a few more, so my sample size for PTV is small, but I have a few observations that i’m curious what the group thinks about.

a) Adding the SZ around Malaya really does nerf the Japanese threat on India. Only a prolonged build up can win there–which I think was the idea: to make a longer game, i.e. one that isn’t really decided until T14+…but that leads to my other point
b) Italy must be defended well by the Germans. In OOB or BM4, you can solely focus on Russia as Germany and just use the Italians as can openers. If the Allies nerf Italy, eh, annoying, but not game changing since Russia will fall soon.
–That doesn’t happen in PTV. Russia may fall, but barring bad play by the Russians (or maybe I’m just terrible with the Germans), Moscow will hold for 12 turns. There’s just a lot of territory and the Russians have enough IPCs to stay in the fight for awhile. Thus, the Allies have plenty of time to control the Med and nerf the Italians. Add to the fact that Italy is an extra space away from France and W. Germany–critical to getting defensive troops into place, and Italy becomes indefensible

It seems the Axis got a triple whammy. No quick wins, and the added spaces make the defense of their areas that much harder, and yet the southern spaces are still easy to reach for the Allies. This means that it’s hard to get economic parity, and a long game that favors the Allies.

My point is that unlike OOB or BM4, it seems like there is a “formula” for the Allies to win PTV. Build up Russia, attack the Med, nerf the Italians, pick at the hard to defend Med landing zones, and wait until the money disparity allows you to just win attrition wars, which leads to overwhelming forces.

To stop this, the Germans have to spend Moscow invasion money early on bolstering Italy, which further delays Moscow falling and plays into the Allies hands.

I would say that Japan does ameliorate the above somewhat. They still cannot take India quickly, but they can grow rather large and dominant on the ocean, which could prevent an overwhelming force in the Med. But again, playing for the long game, the Allies just keep enough in the pacific to stay alive, nerf Italy and the game should go their way.

I agree with most of that, but I would say Axis can definitely win even if Italy is completely neutered. The 13 global VC rule helps with this. Normally if the Germans take all 3 Russian VCs you still need London or Egypt, which may be be impossible if the Allies have naval supremacy and there is no help from Italy. BUT, if Japan can get 6 VCs (one short of Pacific victory), then that’s an Axis win.
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crocket36 (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+6) French Rebalance

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@crockett36 said in crocket36 (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+6) French Rebalance:

@crockett36 hey this is supposed to be a play test. Can you give me an explanation or or or tell me your inspiration behind the French part of this rebalance? If I guessed it would be that taking over Paris would be worth it and that the French troops and the colonies, their territories could be acquired and their troops brought into the army the Allied army? Is that correct and I screwed it up when I attacked the colonial troops instead of liberating them are enlisting them sorry for the dictation.

The main reason is that it really annoyed me that Germany had an incentive to leave Normandy French. Guess it is similar with French North Africa but I found that one less annoying. I think the concept that Paris falls round 1 breaks the intention behind Larry’s Laws.
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L25 French Rebalance FlyingBadger (Axis) vs Simon33 (Allies+6) #2

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I’m always on the lookout for such an opportunity. There’s two counters, the land based one and the naval one. The 4 inf starting in Korea, perhaps aided by planes can prevent USA’s puny two (or maybe 4) land units from taking Korea. The problem with the land option given that I left all 18 units is planes might be toast to USSR’s attack. I don’t normally leave all 18 troops there, maybe I should. The naval one means just having a sufficient navy to hold sz6. Given that the US navy was north and couldn’t get to the money islands quickly, you could have been weaker there. Think I might go back to all 18 troops in Amur. It is much stronger than 12.
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@squirecam site that I can’t do America and you can finish off this game .
My wife has gone to see Robert McFarlane speak at the Hay Festival and I am home with our children .
Will be tomorrow .
Have a good and pleasant day.
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L25 PTV MikawaGunichi (X+12) vs Nikola (Allies) Game #3

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@nikola1975 Thank you once again for the fun match
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 2
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 factory_minor, 3 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Wake Island to 32 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 32 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 1 destroyer moved from 32 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Guam 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Inner Mongolia Japanese take Inner Mongolia from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Honan Japanese take Honan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei Japanese take Hopei from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State 1 fighter moved from Siam to Shan State 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shan State 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Borneo to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Malaya 2 battleships moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Malaya 1 artillery moved from Davao to Manilla 2 infantry moved from Kyushu to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Manilla 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Manilla Combat - Japanese Battle in Sumatra Battle in Guam Battle in Midway Battle in Manilla Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Manilla, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Manilla, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Manilla Japanese win, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Guam from Americans, taking Midway from Americans, taking Manilla from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in 26 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 cruiser Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11 Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser Battle in Shan State Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shan State, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 3 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for British: 3 infantry Battle in Malaya Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships in Malaya, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Malaya Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 cruiser moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to 38 Sea Zone 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Shansi to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kyushu to 7 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manilla to Caroline Islands 2 carriers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Gilbert Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from Marshall Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu Place Units - Japanese 1 carrier and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Japan 1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 56 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.83 Japanese regular : 0.50 UK_Pacific regular : -1.33
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L24 OOB Stucifer (X) v Crockett36 (L+120)

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