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L25 PTV Adam514 (Axis+14) vs axis-dominion (Allies)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 25
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 25 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 22 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Established Switch: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Gorky Germans take Gorky from Russians 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Yaroslavl Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Nenetsia Germans take Nenetsia from Russians 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Novgorod 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Belarus 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine 3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Ukraine 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 3 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria 2 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Germany to Austria 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern France 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern France 2 infantry moved from France to Southern France 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern France 1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Northeast Persia Germans take Northeast Persia from Russians 1 armour moved from Northeast Persia to Southern Persia 10 armour, 19 artilleries, 36 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Persia Combat - Germans Battle in Western Ukraine Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Novgorod Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Southern Persia Germans attack with 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 36 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys Americans defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 36 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys in Southern Persia, round 2 : 25/77 hits, 24.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern Persia Germans win, taking Southern Persia from British with 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 36 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bessarabia, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 5.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia 3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Americans with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 3 infantry Battle in Austria Germans attack with 3 artilleries and 15 infantry Americans defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 15 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 5/18 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Austria Germans win, taking Austria from Americans with 3 artilleries and 15 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Romania Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Romania, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Romania Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Romania, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Romania Germans win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Southern Belarus Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus Germans win, taking Southern Belarus from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Southern France Germans attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Southern France, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 5.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern France Germans win, taking Southern France from Americans with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Iceland from British to Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Leningrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to United Kingdom 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Iceland 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 marines moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Slovakia Hungary 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Slovakia Hungary 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 2 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Southern France to Western Germany 1 artillery moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 marines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 4 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 armour, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany 10 infantry placed in Germany 2 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,3,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,6,2 Germans collect 55 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 55 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
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Americans regular : 0.00 Russians regular : 0.67 Germans regular : -1.00 British regular : -0.33
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L25 PtV Ghostglider (Axis+15) vs Adam514

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"East & West" by Imp Games - Discussion

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This’ll be my last post on this topic out of time constraints. I love the back and forth but I don’t see anything here that is new or otherwise convinces me that the game is balanced or that it favors the USSR.

At this point, I don’t see there being any daylight made between us on game theory (which is fine with me). This is the main reason I don’t really like to write essays. I just don’t have the time and minds generally don’t get changed via this method anyway.

You have a point, but you’re also completely discounting the fact that NATO can only really act at 1/3rd efficiency with those units.

I did not discount this but I didn’t share every detail of the valuation so it’s totally forgivable. My valuation does not include infantry from either side because there’s almost EXACTLY the same amount for each side at the end of R1. NATO has way more stuff in every category at the end of round 1 except tanks. Further, to be fair with regards to TUV, we’d have to count NATOs first round of purchases in the valuation. This essentially doubles the TUV gulf. I didn’t mention this in the initial post.

Fruity pebbles is a phenomenon that exists to some extent in every version of axis and allies. This is extremely challenging for AnA players to handle on a good day. The response is to understand you only need to be winning in one area of the map and holding everywhere else to win the game. There are finer details but this is the general concept. In E&W, its hold in India, hold inEurope and kick in the back door as the USA in Kamchatka. After the first two to three turns, the economy is balanced as you point out but NATO has 200 TUV over the Russians (not including the Navy) and the Russians should be contained with their demise coming on their east front via USA. This is the best way to “see” the imbalance. There is a loss of kinetic energy as the Russians as the economy balances and then the USA is piercing through.

I could (and might) run the same valuation for Anniversary and Classic to have something to compare it to so this is better understood but I don’t know. Takes time to lay out and I’d rather be playing. I’m unchanged. NATO should win 6/7 games at least. If that’s not happening there was some extreme dice event or NATO was mishandled. But I leave my mind open to being changed over the board. If something can be demonstrated repeatedly, I absolutely will abandon this position after investigating why/what was so misleading - but experience tells me that is unlikely.

If the game ends up being balanced or less in favor of NATO, I believe it will come from increasing the risk profile of the soviet opener to an… unreliable but at least threatening chance of success as @Ragnell804 did. But you’ll still need very good dice.

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…get to the Fusion bomb asap. This is the “heavy bombers” of East and West. Maybe through some combination of spies and tech, the soviets can make up the massive TUV advantage by blowing away pieces in a truly economical way.

As a side note: the NATO nuke is very impactful in the ways that are considered secondary. Removing 5 russian infantry might be a let down, but when you do this to the SFE industrial complex on the turn you land in Kamchatka, you ensure the Russian counterattack is less likely to succeed bc they’re down five infantry and can’t move their fighters due to EMP. Finally, on the Russian turn, bc the IPC value has been reduced, the Russians can only add two Russian infantry instead of four.

This typically forces the Russian player into a horrific choice. Abandon the territory leaving the fighters to be destroyed bc they couldn’t move. Or fight a losing battle in SFE and die with the fighters albeit at higher NATO cost. If NATO is using the nuke in some other way, imo - its being used inefficiently. Full stop. The NATO nuke is for the critical territory of SFE timed when landing in Kamchatka.
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MyyGames (L+55) over Simon33 (X) G40, low luck

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MyyGames (Allies+55) vs Simon33 (X) OOB Low Luck

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Great play. I wasn;t sure about all the USSR inf bid but they have changed the Eastern Front I think. I really can’t see recovering from being this far behind. Volgograd troops need to run from here I think. Urgh. Grabbing the 5 propaganda territories was a boon for you. Perhaps I shouldn’t have gone J1 with the Yunnan stack but I am not sure about that one. You’re going to hold Java too, unfortunately that could have been held with a couple of planes, at least for another turn.

Will post. I once played low luck G40 as allies+80 and it seemed like a fairly narrow win. I don’t think this is a very narrow win with only +55, Not completely sure why but there it is.
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PTV J1 Test

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 64 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone Combat - ANZAC Battle in Java Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 8 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales Place Units - ANZAC 3 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 55 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,3,5,5,4,2 ANZAC collect 11 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 7
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 7 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 5 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 2 infantry moved from France to Southern France 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 2 submarines moved from 100 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Crete to Alexandria 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Crete to Malta 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Malta 2 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to Malta 3 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 3 artilleries and 5 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 5 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 2.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 3 artilleries and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Northern Belarus Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northern Belarus Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Belarus to Greece 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern France Place Units - Germans 2 transports placed in 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery placed in Southern France 3 artilleries placed in Leningrad 2 bombers placed in Western Germany 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 4 infantry placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 1.33 Germans regular : -1.67
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