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"East & West" by Imp Games - Discussion

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@The_Good_Captain said in "East & West" by Imp Games - Discussion:

As a side note: the NATO “at start” nuke is very impactful in the ways that are considered secondary. Removing 5 Russian infantry might be a letdown, but when you do this to the SFE industrial complex on the turn you land in Kamchatka, you ensure the Russian counterattack is less likely to succeed because they’re down five infantry and can’t move their fighters due to EMP. Finally, on the Russian turn, because the IPC value has been reduced, the Russians can only add two Russian infantries instead of four.

This typically forces the Russian player into a horrific choice. Abandon the territory leaving the fighters to be destroyed because they couldn’t move. Or fight a losing battle in SFE and die with the fighters albeit at higher NATO cost. If NATO is using the nuke in some other way, imo - it’s being used inefficiently. Full stop. The NATO nuke is for the critical territory of SFE timed when landing in Kamchatka.

As a matter of tactics, I wonder if there’s a scenario in which the Soviets can afford to abandon Eastern Siberia, and rely on counter-attacking? I know in my early days of playing, China seemed extremely fickle, and always seemed to turn away from the USSR, leaving North Korea exposed and with the Soviets unable to hide in their territory.

Really I think in order to hold off the Americans, they actually need to have a big enough force in both Eastern Siberia and Kamchatka, and at to least control South Korea (even if they can’t hold off the US from landing there) while having the Chinese in, defending the North. Most US players are hesitant to attack North Korea militarily, because if the Soviets can retake it, the Chinese just move right back in at the end of their turn. That means still needing to have a strong counter-attacking force either in Eastern Siberia or Manchuria… but maybe that makes it slightly more workable?

That all being said, I don’t know where these hypothetical Soviet reinforcements would be coming from, in time for rd3. As tempting as it is to not place a ton in the east for the first round or so, (while the US navy is all tangled up) I’m getting the sense that the Soviets kind of have to.

I do enjoy discussing strategy and tactics, but I’ll try to keep my posts shorter going forward. I don’t write huge walls of text to drown anyone else out, I just actually enjoy writing :)
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 26
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 26 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries and 23 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 35 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Persia to Baluchistan 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 marine and 3 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Austria to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania Germans take Romania from Americans 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine Germans take Ukraine from Russians 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod Germans take Novgorod from Russians 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Southern Belarus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Belarus 2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy Combat - Germans Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 marine, 3 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 113 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Baluchistan Germans attack with 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 35 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys Americans defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 35 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys in Baluchistan, round 2 : 17/76 hits, 24.50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Baluchistan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Baluchistan Germans win, taking Baluchistan from UK_Pacific with 11 armour, 19 artilleries, 35 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Southern Belarus Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus Germans win, taking Southern Belarus from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 3.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Americans with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Northern Italy Germans attack with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Italy, round 2 : 5/13 hits, 6.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Italy 3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy Germans win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 3 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 5 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 4 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Eastern Poland 2 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Leningrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 8 infantry moved from Germany to Austria 2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine 7 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Iceland to 126 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 126 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 128 Sea Zone to Norway Place Units - Germans 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Germany 10 infantry placed in Western Germany 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern Persia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Baluchistan: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1,3,2,5,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,4,1,6,5,6,6,5,3,4,6 Germans collect 59 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 62 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.33 UK_Pacific regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.33 Germans regular : -8.00
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 18
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 18 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 artilleries, 14 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter moved from Russia to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Southern Belarus to Slovakia Hungary Combat - Russians Battle in Yugoslavia Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia Russians win, taking Yugoslavia from Italians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Slovakia Hungary Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 artillery Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Slovakia Hungary Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Slovakia Hungary, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Slovakia Hungary 2 fighters owned by the Russians retreated Germans win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 10 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Belarus 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 1 fighter moved from Urals to Southern Belarus 2 infantry moved from Smolensk to Northern Belarus 7 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 20 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 10 artilleries moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus 2 armour moved from Russia to Southern Belarus 2 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus 6 artilleries moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 7 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Romania 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Russia 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 2 mech_infantrys placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2,3,1 Russians collect 37 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 37 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 40 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 46 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -1.00 Germans regular : 1.33 Russians regular : -3.50
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 infantry and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shansi Combat - Japanese Battle in Shansi Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shansi, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shansi 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi Japanese win, taking Shansi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shansi to Jehol 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 3 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 1 marine moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Korea to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Formosa to Kwangsi 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 7 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 34 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Formosa to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Fukien 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to Japan 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 4 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 44 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 1.33 Japanese regular : 0.50
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@crockett36 said in crocket36 (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+6) French Rebalance:

You haven’t had the best luck this game!

Perhaps not but I think axis have the edge is in this version yet I got a bid. In version 2 the allies had the edge though. Guess that shows it is close to balanced with these changes, an achieve some love more than others.
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MyyGames (Allies+55) vs Simon33 (X) OOB Low Luck

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@simon33 said in MyyGames (Allies+55) vs Simon33 (X) OOB Low Luck:

Great play. I wasn;t sure about all the USSR inf bid but they have changed the Eastern Front I think. I really can’t see recovering from being this far behind. Volgograd troops need to run from here I think. Urgh. Grabbing the 5 propaganda territories was a boon for you. Perhaps I shouldn’t have gone J1 with the Yunnan stack but I am not sure about that one. You’re going to hold Java too, unfortunately that could have been held with a couple of planes, at least for another turn.

Will post. I once played low luck G40 as allies+80 and it seemed like a fairly narrow win. I don’t think this is a very narrow win with only +55, Not completely sure why but there it is.

Thank you for the game, sir.

Yeah, the ussr bid was kind of experimental. I wanted to play yunnan and then thought to further boost ussr might enable them to survive better and become stronger earlier. Worked out quite good. I think you did not manage the 125 objective too good, I was able to grab that several times when it could have been prevented. That added to ussr strength of course. Think you are a BM player after all, and the NOs change with that. Even more glad you played me in lowluck!

I agree that J3 should be preferred against the yunnan stack. At least I do prefer it. It is hard for Japan to manage this Chinese units additionally, even though you did a great job in preserving and massing these Japanese, still it is limiting if you cannot focus enough air early on.

Thanks for the game! Good luck at the tables!
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sure. what did you have in mind?