i voted for paris NO.
i wonder why it has been active in europe1940 with a weaker russia and a strong usa and got deactivated in global1940 with a stronger russia and a even more stronger usa.
The point I am making is this: Either you advance with the Mechanized Infantry, and thus leave your Infantry fodder in the dust, or you use your Mechanized Infantry exactly like expensive Infantry units. So why bother?
I have my reasons, what are yours?
i would never leave anyone in the dust…
but you didn´t get me right. to answer your question i only need one line:
my reason is fast reinforcement!
now i ask you: imagine you are on G3 building phase, your troops are in east poland. what do you think you´ll buy? can usual infantry keep up the pace attacking moscow on G6?
thanx in advance for your answer
p.s. thank you for aiding me, stalingradski!
Anyway you look at it, Infantry trump Mechanized Infantry EXCEPT when you are blindly charging into enemy lines with nothing but MI and Armor without any infantry, artillery fighters or tactical bombers. In that case, you end up trading 4 IPC MI for 3 IPC Infantry as I will be pummelling those stacks with my cheap infantry, punishing you for advancing without your own cheap infantry (thus you will NOT be advancing them without your infantry and thus, why not just get your own infantry instead?)
first: the numbers i gave are minimum numbers. “worst-case” you can call it. i always “calculate” this way, when i am on trying out a new strategy.
second: noone said it will be without any infantry. BUT, in the ongoing game - as reinforcement - normal infantry is too SLOW to help during an attack two or three spaces away. what is already there - what is not needed to buy - can move step by step. directly on the front there is nothing more needed. BUT all the new equipment - the reinforcement -, except round 1, must be faster to keep up the pace during those very attacks. this way you have mostly attackers on “1”, right, but so much that it is regardless, there is so much cannon-fodder '(in moscow). those minimum 12 tanks plus planes do the work.
in this stage of the game it is about to get moscow at any cost -right? -, and even if there is only one german tank left, moscow is taken, russia, because of turteling in moscow, is out! German ICs, on the other side of the continent, are already producing for defence. etc.
what you do , i think, is - simply put - arguementing with statistics in a too simplyfying manner. you leave out what would comming next, call it the “empiric moment”. okay, you would counterattack with infantry, which attack on 1 against MI which defend on 2. please do! expose your troops so a decent german player can take away a big part of russian home defence easily!
if you wish and you are still sceptic, i can outline an attack scheme which is likely to be a russia-killer. (i hope so :D) but maybe you already have read it in the european-threads of this board. (if not, search by my posts)
third: i agree, artillery is really important. without it, there is nothing to win!
P.S. what do want to express by calling yourself “Flottenmörderin”: annihilatress of the fleets? or what? i ask, because in german mostly noone would use this word in this context…
now i have the feeling that i must comment this. only just because i have seen it working differntly and therefor i have another opinion…
A) If Germany is fully utilizing MI and Armor, then they don’t have Infantry, Artillery, Fighters or Tactical Bombers for support. They cannot. Since none of the units can both keep up and be with the MI and Armor at the end of the turn.
maybe you have a false idea of it. as germany you have a lot infantry combined with some artillery from the start on, which you don´t need to waste on England. this stack already existing can be enlarged by mech etc. so your “they cannot” is kind of absolutely false!
they can keep up the pace with mechs and tanks, because they don´t have to be bought, they have to move. G1 move those units, buy mech, G2 move those units, combine them on G1 bought mech etc. it soo easy to do so.
B) That means Germany must either put his MI and Armor at risk, and I will attack them EVERY SINGLE TIME, or not fully utilize them.
see above! you would attack minimum 15 inf, 6 art, 13 mech, 8 tanks and maybe 4 to 6 planes? cool! than germany has an easy go-through to moscow!
C) If you lose them to Russian infantry, then what’s the point?
D) If you don’t fully utilize them, you would have been better off getting Infantry and Artillery instead of MI.
no, russia is too big and inf is too slow to pass this big russia. MI buys time every round, inf wastes time.
E) Armor is never a waste! Fine, yes it is, if you have 48 Armor and only 3 Infantry, then you wasted money on armor.
all those comments include no stupid suicide blitzing BEHIND russian lines. the mobility of mech has an inherent cumulative attribute which must not be disregarded. the first three turns germany can build 30+ mech. add those to the 20+ inf already in position. add 10 art and minimum 12 tanks. now spice it up with 3 to 5 fighters, 3 to 4 tacticals and your strategic bomber.
bonus question: what is needed to beat it or defend against with? (please tell me a number of really needed troops to stop this mass…)
wouldn´t this make too easy for germany? having an IC near the russian borders?
the minor IC in Berlin already got upgraded to a major one. this already made it a lot easier to catch russia.
and i agree: russia is not too strong! it is hard, as it should be. but it can be beaten, conquered, sacked, however anyone might call it…sake of an early attack: G2.
leave yugo for italy, take greece instead. this buys time for the axis. build art (first turn only!), mechs and tanks etc. this way you cover more spaces and take russia out alone!
and just imagine having some italian mech on your side, paired with a tank from albania! it works!
So you are advocating NO attacks on the British AT ALL by Germany, no attack on Yugoslavia or Greece?
are you sure this was meant? i have it understood that you don´t go sealion, but attack the british fleet, sinking it. and leaving yugoslavia to italy is very helpful for a german approach into russia. greece can be taken on round two without any problems (inf from bulgaria, tanks from romania).
maybe i am mistaken.
but: not attacking britain at all is a way to say good bye!
Well, i was being sarcastic about taking Canada
Of course, as Axis there wouldn’t be anything wrong in going after Gibraltar, or controlling the Atlantic, or even snatching brazil.
But as a US player allowing all this, that would be really really bad play.
i agree with that.
mostly, because it is not this difficult to keep the axis out of gibraltar.
til round 3 you don´t need to fortify denmark, since britain is the only party on the european side that would invade germany by sea. the us is still far away…
and to build only tanks as germany would do for the first attacks, but later on you will miss your cannon-fodder: infantry or mech. so i´d suggest you buy first artillery, mechs. later some tanks, you already have 8! you just need to mass them up in one country, i.e. east poland…
and yes. i´d attack russia as japan.