Russia is a very broken power in this game, UK Navy and Italy too in my opinion and my opinion only
Posts made by Leatherneckinlv
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RE: Russia Question
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RE: Russia Question
Germany already gets many bennies
Why does Russia not get 5 IPC bonus for the Molotov - Ribbentrop pact since Russia supplied the oil to the German war machine
Why can Russia not attack Finland if Finland was not taken over by Germany?
Things like that is things that make the Allies very difficult to play against very good Axis players
Trust me my games I have a ton of house rules
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Roger that Kreghund
I am going to let the cat out of the bag now
This thread is 3 fold
before I start this occurred in one of my games at YG’s tournament and General Hand grenade told us the rule, so I knew the rule
Desert Admiral and I spoke today and wanted clarification and since I had the time I posted this…
Before posting I realized since I am giving my opinions to Young Grasshopper for his deluxe edition game, that rules need to be black and white…not having to go to this section or that section to find technicalities
3rd Siredblood and I are close friends as well so to help his tournament this would benefit him as well…in fact been talking to Siredblood all day about this…I am also giving opinions and suggestions for his tournament…ie the Cavalry units and lend lease to China which will be a rule in the tournament and a few more concepts as well
Siredblood is making a card for this rule as well
hopefully those who have struggled with this strategy, now they are clear
I stand by my feelings that the rules do not clearly answer this scenario properly and perception is what drives what can and can not be done. I read this totally different than what Kreighund states…not arguing with him but I can rebuttal the heck out of it. Reason is technicalities…you have to go to different sections of the rule book to get the answer for a scenario that rules you look at are vastly different.
Logic is easy Russia gets attacked they have every right to get that territory back and rule states Russia may declare war against an Axis power…Singular so both Germans and Russians did not declare war the Germans become insignificant.
Easy fix is any Germans in Russian territories while not at war negates the 5 IPC Bonus that Germany is due
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RE: Russia Question
Marsh
Seriously…what’s the difference between an attack on a sea zone or a territory?
They are both a combat move, no?Especially if the Sea zone is also an amphibious assault
I know this rule has to be agreed upon in a game by all parties because there is no verbiage and all answers in this thread and my question is all based on peception
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SS
Yeah…I mean how many bennies does Germany need as Russia keeps getting neutered?
My point to this thread is…this is NOT covered in the rule book
People are responding based on perception as am I…you say tomato I say thamato…lol
Those who wrote the rules probably never anticipated this happening
Just like Taranto Raid was probably never anticipated so the Italian set up is idiotic in my opinionAs stated by many, this game needs a deluxe edition as YG calls it (and I love the name) and a Global rule book of it’s own
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RE: Russia Question
Turn 1 no JDOW….US moves Philippines fleet into 54 with ANZAC fleet…ANZAC declare war turn 1…turn 2 Japanese attack SZ 54…but will only fight the ANZAC fleet not the combined fleet…it’s the same thing except on land
semantics on power and territory when it comes to East Poland
East Poland is a territory occupied by a combat won by Italians
Germany and Russia are Powers not at warRussian political situation says an Axis power (singular)
East Poland is Italian and at war with Italy German troops are only visitors…they have no significance to the territory
Russia is allowed to combat the ItaliansTheoretically Germany may allow Russians to stage in Romania so they can attack Yugoslavia because it became an Italian territory turn 1
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RE: Russia Question
Midnight reaper
Italy owns East Poland……Russia is attacking a territory that belonged to them…you are indicating territories like Sweden with your rules that are in the book and which I have read over and over and over…this is not the case
Germany and Russia are Friendly Neutrals
If Germany goes into Finland…they collect the income and the Infantry
Only difference here is Russia may not turn the German units into Russian…but it sure can collect the IPC lost and give the option of a German withdrawal or a deceleration of war by GermanyPeople can be wrong…I am not saying I am right or wrong…I am saying the rules in the book do not apply here because so many things are different here than say Bulgaria or Sweden or Yugoslavia
reading the rules…I can not find where this is an illegal move because it is not indicated or specified
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In fact Russian and Germans are actually friendly Neutrals in this scenario
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Those rules do not apply in this scenario
The Soviet Union was attacked by Italy….both Germany and Russia did not declare war with each other on their turns
That territory is AT WAR
That territory is a Russian territory
Powers not at war applies to say Sweden…this is not the case
I have read these rules over and over and over and none are applicable to this scenario…NONE
Again…this was an originally controlled Russian territory…2 Italy declared war…Germany did not…Russia ONLY declared war on Italy and did not with the Germans and in fact Germans made sure not to declare war on Russia to collect it’s bonus
Folks…the rules do not indicate how to handle this properly
Based on what I read this makes it a legal Russian move
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RE: Russia Question
Those who disagree….show me the rule…I have read said rule and this scenario is no where to be found
I want this enigmatic paradigm answered for when I play among my friends
As I read it…this is a legal Russian move…undetermined by the rules
All rules say Powers not at war…meaning peaceful territory
This territory is at warShow me the rule not your perception of the rule and I am not saying this in arrogance or by being a butt-head…I want this rule to be clear with me
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Russia was now at war and allowed to gain their bonus income
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No Tambo…Germans did not declare war on Russia and non combat moved into the territory to continue getting the 5 IPC bonus for not at war with Russia
Russia then did not declare war on Germany in return and attacked the Italian units and regained the 1 IPC loss
Germany was entitled to get the 5 IPC bonus
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RE: Russia Question
Russia did in fact make it clear to Germany that it is not declaring war on Germany and attacking a hostile zone with a declared state of war with Italy
Russia hence MAY ignore German units
territory is already hostile
This scenario can not be found in the rule book
Rule book only identifies peaceful territories ONLY, remember this is now a hostile territory
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The neutral rule can not apply here
those neutral rules are not considering a state of war between 2 countries with a neutral country occupying
this predicament is no where to be found as those neutral rules apply ONLY to peaceful countries and territories
This is NOT the same situation
those rules are not applicable here….if you read carefully no where is there an explanation for a territory at war…all explanations are for territories at peace
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RE: Russia Question
So Russia is attacking Italy…which it can do
Germans were non combat moved there…Russia may in fact ignore the Germans
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Panther
Germany is not at war with Russia though….they are neutrals to one another
State of war only exists between Italy and Russia
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I just play tested this on tripleA and in fact I only had to battle the Italian units and Germany and Russia were in same territory co occupying after the Russian victory
Only thing missing is the verbal instructions by the Russians telling the Germans to withdraw leaving a decision by the Germans to either withdraw or declare war
So yes Russia may only attack the Italians and instruct the Germans to withdraw
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Movement by the Germans into Russia should be a deceleration of war by Germany in my opinion….this is a broken rule that should be clarified more precisely as I am positive Russia may regain it’s territory. Quite broken that Germany can non combat move and collect a bonus for not at war with Russia while it is occupying the territory with absolutely 0 benefit to the Russians and hindering their defense even more
WAY BROKEN
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Midnight Reaper….there is in fact a combatant in that territory…you would be right if it was only a neutral Germany only in East Poland…this is not the case…there is a Italian combatant in the territory
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This is incorrect….East Poland is a original Russian territory…Germans are neutral…Russia may in fact and has the right to regain it’s territory back from a combatant…neutral Germany now must decide to withdraw or declare war and stay in the territory
no different than placing a UKP destroyer in an occupied sea zone by the Japanese then Anzac declare war making that a hostile sea zone making it illegal to load transports…