I’m with Zooey…tear down the Statue of Liberty, raise the walls and let the world fend for itself man, cuz it’s not our problem.
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I’m with Zooey…tear down the Statue of Liberty, raise the walls and let the world fend for itself man, cuz it’s not our problem.
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From the Wiki link - reasons listed in war resolution:
you do realize anyone can put anything in a wiki link right? not bashing you just saying, quoting that is like quoting something we have said on this message board as stone cold evidence to acquit OJ…
I think that it is funny that ppl like you can dismiss the slavery that took place before there was an America.
I have no idea where you got I was dismissing slavery didn’t exist before America but I am sure glad you put words in my mouth then spoke down on me with those words freshly placed in my mouth.
Next time you decide to harpoon someone in a thread at least know who said what, might help your cause.
After watching the first quarter and a half I can say both teams are sorry on D this year. And the Collins gets in too much of a hurry to move the ball down field without mistake, so take away the run from the Raiders and force his hand - should work in your favor most of the time.
Absolute power…you know how that goes. Have you looked at the problems most states face with budget managment alone? Now leave them on their own without Federal bailouts left and right and you would be in a giant mess. I believe we need to par out govt at the federal level but to cripple it would cripple the country IMO.
Thank you…I think you finally see that at least I am not Bush bashing but pointing my anger at the real probably here - an agency that gets millions of dollars every year that was headed by someone with horse judging experience. I hear Paul Ruben’s is looking for work, maybe he is a worthy candidate. :D
As far as getting rid of 90%, well…wouldn’t that put more power at the state level which you guys are saying was the bad thing here in this situation? Not trying to toss another bone but just saying…although trimming FEMA and removing HLS completely would be a nice healthy start to HUGE govt. savings.
The Internet - it’s serious business I guess now :roll: Since I need to “shove it” now from a mod in training, can you inform me how and what to shove?
Darn that liberal media taking all those pictures of stuff.
But in order to show you the real winner in the Who Can Not Respond Correctly game you want to play:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
Let’s see he got forced out of the…wait…horse judging arena? So like like totally qualifies him to run a federal agency whose mission is to co-ordinate action to national disaster zones…the mayor might have dropped the ball on the school bus action ( who was going to drive them again? ) but FEMA dropped the ball, the stadium and the planet itself by letting this mess spiral out of control for as long as it did.
Sheesh. You never learn do you? Why don’t you just elect another hitler and get it over with.
The stuff that comes out of your mouth never ceases to amaze me…
has no bearing on the fact that the Mayor and Govenor refused to declare a state of emergency through proper channels with proper paperwork and allow the President and his administration to use the funds and manpower already earmarked to assist to do their job.
Keep telling the people of New Orleans that waited at the very least 4 days for the trucks from outside the affect area to show up for no good reason other then a breakdown at the highest level in FEMA and HLS. the local officals have all said they will admit blame and fault when the time comes…something not one member of FEMA or HLS has stated in public. And illregardless how much faith can you put in a Mayor facing a storm of that size and never having been through something like that - he paniced just like you and I. Over at FEMA they simulate these type of situations and come up with plans of action all the time - it’s their job. Sure the Mayor might have paniced and not got all the right things done - HIS CITY WAS ABOUT TO BE WIPED OFF TEH FACE OF THE EARTH. But the higher administration members of FEMA were comfortable at home and in their offices, with no pressure of flooding or dying to cloud their judgement and allow for a plan of attack to be drawn up as it was unfolding - I bet if it was a horse race it would have come off without a hitch ;)
Magic, we are on the same page…Chiefs will go 14-2 this year :D
On trust me…the fallout from this ordeal is long from over, and the voters of the South will not forget the administration and party that left them to dry for 4 days - I guess you underestimate the South. And you can just keep on blaming local officals for everyone dying in NO if that helps you get past this. But FEMA - in case you don’t know what that stands for, www.fema.gov is the body responsible to react to national disasters. And I didn’t think FEMA would have people on teh way the next day…although it is their orgainizations entire mission to plan for such things and have plans ready, esp. when they knew the storm was coming, to have a much more organized response. But come on you are saying that not having truck rolls until 4 days after the storm passed is acceptable?
As I’ve said what the heck were the local officials doing???
Watching their houses float away and hope their loved ones and neighbors didn’t die…
And if you can’t take a step back for one moment and realize there was a lack of response on epic proportions from the AGENCIES WHOSE ENTIRE MAKEUP IS TO REACT DURING NATURAL DISASTERS AND NATIONAL CRISIS then you are just blinded by thinking these are someone personal attacks on Dubya and there for you need to make vague racial references and lose sight of the fact that THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE DYING DOWN THERE AND 10’S OF THOUSANDS THAT LOST EVERYTHING THEY HAD.
It’s all well and good to take pot shots at the Gov. of Louisana ( is it because she is a women AND Democrat I wonder? ) and pin the responsiblity of it taking 4 days for an organized response from other states resources and agencies ( FEMA’s job ) to get relief and supplies into the area, and secure the area ( HLS job ) as how can you call upon local National Guard troops if they are trying to save their families and get out of the way?
Everyday I am just shocked and amazed at the lack of compassion of far leaning right wing Republican’s trying to someone save face and deflect blame for all this…I don’t remember reading any newspaper articles stating George Bush is responsible for New Orleans flooding - Kanye West doesn’t count, he is just mad in general. Do you know HLS only Sunday setup a emergency triage helpdesk in the Eisenhower Executive Office to help handle the flood of media questions? How would I know this…I helped today fix the giant mess they had in that room and looked at the schedule of people and tickets opened for computers to be live in that room. You can defend Bush all you want as this is not his problem directly, his administration under him failed and failed the entire United States badly.
But since this is in the South, and mainly a “crime riddled area” this doesn’t strike home to some of you and you can just dismiss it and go about your business hate mongering the Democrat’s every chance you get. Enjoy your time…as againeven though this wasn’t Dubya’s blunder himself, this certainly cost him alot of political capital and that of his party come election time…
I would have voted criminal if not FEMA would have been blamed but the Bush administration. In early 2001 FEMA warned the Bush administration of three major threads and one those was the flooding of New Orleans by a huricane. The other two were a terrorist attack in New York and a earthquake iin California. The Bush adiminstration reacted by cutting the funds for flood control.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
I was looking for a US article about this but glad you found something…under president Clinton FEMA was alot different and had alot more control. I’m not saying that should Clinton been in office this tragedy would have been avoided, I’m just saying FEMA was on it’s own then. Now that it is under HLS it seems it didn’t get as much attention and focus and we shifted all attention to HLS. I hope after we get those states back in order we turn our attention to both programs and get our ducks in a row…hurricane season is not over yet kids.
Being one in a million and taking 4 days for stuff to happen are unrelated. It’s not about what wasn’t done before hand, it was the fact that no one seemed to want to get moving toward helping until the president left his vacation early and went down there. Even the remaining people at the White House Friday afternoon were noticing how much more intraoffice traffic was generated from HLS and FEMA knowing the President would be down there…this was a breakdown and a failure of an organization whose single mission in this country is to plan, prepare and recover after disasters like this. Do you feel comfortable with FEMA and HLS now and trust them to organize the chaos after a terrorist blows up a football stadium on a Sunday? Or sets off a dirty nuke in Times Square? These situations are pretty extreme but have probably been planned and rehearsed a bit…but a freaking hurricane that we had plenty of advanced notice for and have had a few hit our coasts before caught us with our pants down and can just be chalked up to bureaucratic red tape, a shurg of the shoulders and a business as usual mentality is unacceptable. As Americans all of us should be outraged that there are not only still people trapped and dying down there 8 days after the storm but there is still chaos and confusion with the movement of the people out of temporary shelter areas.
Oh and next time you throw out a “want to say Jen’s right but not talk about it in this thread” you might want to side with her on something that won’t leave more people dead then the wonderful conflict in Iraq, as I can’t leave any smiley faces surrounding this point and am not sure how you could have either.
Which is why I stick to my phpbb :D I host another site that is buying a lifetime license for invision, just doesn’t have the amount of skins available for it though.
I check the phpbb message board about once a week, in order to help out I can holler if I catch an update that should happen if you don’t, one less thing to worry about on the board.
Only thing I have ever found wrong with phpbb over vboard or invision…just too many exploits, it’s a full time to job to stay on top of patches almost.
I don’t think your average city planner sits around thinking how to take care of a Cat 4 hurricane. Granted maybe more will but that sort of falls at a Federal level thanks to FEMA and HLS…it’s kind of their job to take care of that stuff. And what can you do besides tell people to leave ( they did ) and figure out the biggest places to hold the most people ( they did )? To not put fault on this lesson in breakdown at the Fed is a sin.
We knew the storm was coming…we knew it was turning bad even before it hit. No one knew it would do what it did and for that you can’t fault a soul. But for major truck rolls and helo action to not occur for more then 4 days was a total failure at the Fed level. And before you pounce on me I have not once said the name Bush, Dubya or president. This was a failure of multiple fed officials whose primary job is to manage issues jsut like this and they failed the people of Mississippi, the people of Louisiana and the people of Alabama.
But the priority has to be right now for anyone and everyone involved to stay focused and finish the evac, finishing figuring out where to put people and continue working to restore city services to New Orleans and the other cities destroyed. There will be plenty of time for people to be thrown under the bus and fired…but to chalk up this failure to the local govt. is just not right at all.
We’re loosing the war in New Orleans and should retreat. They obviously don’t want us there, insurgents are firing on our helicopters….
Oh wait, this is domestic, well, maybe they just have some bad apples that need to be shot/captured so that we can help the majority of people that want federal help?
I can’t believe you just compared Iraq to New Orleans….