Can someone please lay out a simple strategy that maximizes the US and UKs role in the game. Last game I built an IC in S.Africa as the UK and eventually beat germany out of Africa, and America generally sent air and ground units to the UK. Japan ended up gaining a ton of income, which caused us to lose. How can you weaken Japan but still take out germany first?
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US / UK Strategy
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RE: Excellent First Turn Options for UK
Bunnies p Wrath….
Excellent response. This was the kind of expert advice I was seeking when I started this thread. I think you really have excellent opinions , and when you express them in a professional manner, they are so much more appreciated. I want to apologize for speaking in anger and haste to you earlier in the week. I was somewhat unprepared for the level of expertise in this forum, and therefore did not self-critique enough before I posted. Cmdr Jennifer, as always you have offered reliable and tactful advice. IMHO the UK can marshall a very formidable force if they choose to put an IC in India. However, I am now leaning more towards Cmdr Jennifers idea to put an IC in S. Africa. My goal by putting an IC in S.Africa is to get Germany to over-commit to taking africa, and therefore putting less troops on the eastern front. By the time they are ready to take Russia there will be such a large stack of infantry there it will be nearly impossible to do it. I offer a truce bunnies…let’s try to work together and be civil to improve each others game play.
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I agree that in posting strategies you should plan for your opponents to do the right thing. The right thing isn’t always the same thing in each game. Sometimes you have to be somewhat reactionary to the person who goes before you. My biggest issue with you is you take this way too seriously. It was not as though I tried to add an extra book to the bible. This was my first time ever posting to axisandallies.org and yes, I probably could have done better by not calling it an article. If my initial language promised too much, I’m sorry. I do hope you understand that not everyone who reads these forums are experts like yourself. I refer a lot of friends who are first-time gamers here to get some ideas on what they can do during games. I doubt the first few times you played axis and allies you had perfect strategy. Beginners do creative things. Maybe you should create an axisandalliesfornoobs.org so I don’t waste your time. Thanks for the hug, I wanted one all along.
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Just a history dork my friend. Francis Marion is one of my favorite Revolutionary war figures.
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Bunnies P Wrath….
I love how you assume someone is an idiot for having different ideas than you. You assume that Japan and Germany will just automatically move units to certain areas, or build factories in certain places. You also are unable to factor in the part of the game in which you as a human measure the abilities and personalities of your opponents to aid in your decision making process. This article was to simpy offer some ideas on how to make India a more viable option to build an IC. Throwing down a large force filled with fighters into India on turn 1 is a huge deterrent to Japan, who could easily gain more income with less loss by attacking elsewhere. Overall I would have to say your strategies are weak, and you have zero social skills. I have tried to be polite, but you really are pathetic. This forum has a great potential for us to share ideas in a polite way to further our expertise at a similar hobby. When people like you are incapable of offering constructive criticism tactfully, it really lowers the value of this forum.
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Strategic Bombing
You are absolutely right that strategic bombing generally costs more for the allies than it takes away from Germany. So if you are looking at the ratio of cost, you are right. What I think you need to understand is sometimes in the case of the US, losing some money to take money from Germany is still a victory. Strategic bombing is the best way for the US to inflict pain upon Germany. The UK should be able to handle Africa, with some assitance in the form of the torch landings by the US. The way the rules read is that each bomber can inflict a max of the territory value. It is not uncommon later in the game to be sending 4 bombers at Germany. Anytime Germany cannot send troops to the Eastern front they are losing. I have a friend who actually purchases 6 research dice for heavy bombers as the US on turn 1 and then for the rest of the game simply bombs Germany into submission. It is quite effective. Now I always thought that allowing each bomber to inflict the countries worth of bombing was a little excessive, but that is how the rules read. Our US player generally ignores Japan for the most part.
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RE: Excellent First Turn Options for UK
I have heard you mention that a turn 3 IC in India is a better move. If you can’t hold India with an IC and troop buildup against Japan, then how could you hold it without an IC there? It seems that by turn 3 when you want to build an IC there in India, Japan will already be in control of it. I am really glad I started getting into these forums. Another question……If you build your IC in S. Africa it seems that the whole goal would be to maintain the status quo at the beginning of the game by keeping the majority of Africa in British hands. If you wish to expand your IPC income, where do you attempt to do that? It seems with this strategy you can only maintain your income, not expand it. I understand that the UK is more of a supporting player. Is it safe to say that simply holding Africa and harrassing the Axis is all you can really want out of the UK?
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Jennifer,
I have been thinking more and more about the S.Africa Strategy for an IC location and it is a very good suggestion. The India option of mine was primarily to combat an aggressive Japan while not losing units to a German player that is deadset on taking Africa. Like all internet posts I think people forgot to critique this strategy in its original intent. I look forward to further discussions with you.
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RE: Excellent First Turn Options for UK
Jennifer,
Thank you for the constructive critique of this strategy. I do see that you have many valid points. One thing that I have to point out though is that if you do build an IC in India first turn you have to be wise with your money. That is the only thing I would purchase on turn 1. The reason is that I would then have enough IPCs to buy three fighthers there in India for turn 2, and could get an additional 3-4 fighters there from egypt, my carrier, and GBR. This strategy is not fool proof, nor is any strategy. If Japan expends all effort to go after your IC on turn three then that will be a desperate battle on both ends. I would have to give the advantage to India because any attack by Japan would be against a lot of fighters with a high defense value. Also India has the AA gun, and any attack by Japan would be full of aircraft. I am hosting a game on Saturday and I am going to try this. I will post the results and see how it works. Thanks again for the tips.
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For the skeptics….
First of all the thrust for the US and UK should be to limit German IPCs. The best way to do this is through strategic bombing.
Putting an IC in S. Africa is nearly worthless due to the remoteness of the location and the small production value.
I agree that avoiding Sea Lion is a must, but I have yet to see Germany pull that off when there is a competent UK player. The UK must find a way to get in the fight, and playing it safe on the Island is no way to do it.
Adlertag, this was just a suggested strategy. Try to be somewhat mature about this please. No one strategy is the best, however this one tends to be more successful than not.
Germany taking Egypt is not a foregone conclusion on turn 1. Britain should have enough time to evacuate. This post was a best case scenario. Obviously your ships will be attacked in the Med, and everything won’t work out perfectly. Since it is hard to get UK troops on the mainland it is important to consolidate them and keep them from being killed in meaningless skirmishes.
Sorry about the confusion on the poll and the question, this was my first post and didn’t quite understand the mechanics of the site. Thanks for all the positive feedback.
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Excellent First Turn Options for UK
For Turn 1 as the UK player here are some ideas to preserve units and more importantly consolidate them for a powerful counter-attack. Before going further this article is meant to provide a reactionary strategy for a German bid for Africa and a potential aggressive Japan.
Purchase: 1 Industrial Complex to be placed in India. It is very important to have an ability to wage land war as the UK. India is an excellent option because Egypt is too risky, and India puts pressure on Japan while being able to reenforce Russia. This strategy will result in having a very large force in India and a large fleet off the coast of India. These tactics will give you a very strong foothold in India and should give russia a sigh of relief because you can get troops to their back door very fast.
Combat: Strategic Bomb Germany with your bomber from the UK.
Non-Combat Movements. This will be one of the largest tactical consolidations ever during your axis and allies experience.
Move 1 Infantry from W Canada to E Canada
Move 1 Infantry out of S Africa to Rhodesia (maybe)
Evacuate Egypt to trans Jordan, Persia, and India.(this means put your infantryman into trans Jordan, your tank in Persia, and your fighter in India)
Move 1 Infantry from Persia to India
Load 2 Infantry from Australia and move transport and submarine to SZ 30
Move fleet from India to SZ 30. Leave fighter on board carrier for now. This will allow you to have a fleet large enough to ward off any Japanese naval battle in turn 1.
Move Destroyer from Med to SZ 32. (This will be a great supporting vessel to your fleet in the Indian ocean)
Fly two fighters from Britain to Russia. (doing this bolsters Russias defense, but more importantly allows you to fly them to India on turn 2).
Transport 1 Tank from E. Canada to England
I would somehow link up the battleship you have in the Med with the one in the Atlantic. These can be used to deter Sea Lion attempts and to shatter the German fleet.
Turn 2
Purchase: 3 Fighters to put in India. Maybe purchase 3 infantry to put in GBR, or save money.
Combat:
Strategic Bomb Germany with one bomber
Possibly attack German atlantic fleet if it looks vulnerable.You will want to unload the 2 infantrymen from Australia and the 1 fighter on your carrier into India this turn. If necessary use your fighters in India and your fleet to destroy the Japanese ships in the region. If there is no enemy fleet off of the coast of India then land your troops and consolidate your navy with the lone destroyer nearby.
Non-Combat Moves:
Move 1 Infantry from Trans-Jordan to Persia
Move 1 Tank and 1 Infantry to India from Persia
Fly Fighters from Russia to India
Transport 1 Infantry from Canada to GBR.