“Carthage must be destroyed!”- Cato the Elder
And thus the soundbite was invented…
#726
“Carthage must be destroyed!”- Cato the Elder
And thus the soundbite was invented…
#726
LETS GET 'EM CANADA!
OK so much for avoiding impulse shopping this month!!
And when do these little babies come up for sale?
A group being a non-technical term for your typical sphere of players.
You guys play A&A in a sphere?
Like a bio-sphere?
That’s awesome! 8-)
#724
Well Raze, it could be to or 'til.
OR you could say E-25 (or E minus 25) for a nice military ring!
:-D
#723
@Frontovik:
@Dylan:
@Frontovik:
1812 war?
and which civil war??You should know about the War of 1812
The US one.to me 1812 is the expedition of napoleon into russia…
Mind you that wasn’t a war in itself. It’d be like calling D-Day the War of 1944, right?
So what do you call the war the North Americans call the War of 1812?
#722
As for misinformed Canadians… well, I was casting my suspicions on much younger generations of “internet savvy” Canadians who couldn’t find Dieppe on a map but can find a conspiracy theory under every casualty.
So IMTO if someone’s ascribing sinister Imperialist motivations to the inept & amatuer planning of JUBILEE then I’d characterize that as misinformation.
Again it’s not my case, I’m not just so credulous as some canadian.
Conspiracy? who’s talking about conspiracy?
No. Actually ascribing sinister motivations is your case.
You are. If it were a historical fact that Dieppe was launched for the purpose of “saving British skins” at the expense of the Canadians then it would require a conspiracy.
#721
I know more that a few Canadians who felt a bit used by the British in regards to the Dieppe landing. It was a fiasco. The intelligence gathered was of questionable benefit, the raid was planned poorly, the tanks bogged down on the stoney beachs and there was never any plan to hold ground. Blame had to be laid somewhere, it probably should have been blamed on Canadians who ultimately gave the go-ahead for a poorly planned raid. I suspect it was eagerness to punch above our weight that meant we said yes when it should have been no. The brits share the blame because ultimately it was their plan. The Brits always treat the colonials differently then ‘real brits’, but I suspect Canucks were treated MUCH better than say Indians. Winston’s ideas on the future of Indian and its people should be treated were from a different century.
So, do the people who hold/held these views dislike the brits, of course not, long live the queen! Misinformed? Perhaps a bit, but I would not question the loyalty of my mothers cousins who actually were on the beach, 1 died and 3 were held captive for the duration of the war and 1 made it back.
The vets that I’ve spoken to naturally didn’t have anything good to say about Dieppe.
But none of them implied that the British wouldn’t have launched it if their own were going in, which I believe is an accurate paraphrasing of Crusaderiv’s accusation.
As for misinformed Canadians… well, I was casting my suspicions on much younger generations of “internet savvy” Canadians who couldn’t find Dieppe on a map but can find a conspiracy theory under every casualty.
So IMTO if someone’s ascribing sinister Imperialist motivations to the inept & amatuer planning of JUBILEE then I’d characterize that as misinformation.
As for respect for those who were there…
it’s literally awesome the pause that hangs over a conversation when somebody says “he was at Dieppe, y’know”.
Never seen it not happen.
Almost like a miniature moment of silence.
I imagine a debacle like Hong Kong might cause a similar reaction but otherwise I’ve never seen it.
Truly PBI.
#740-720
Yup that’s her.
And yeah, I’d take her on the front of AAE40 instead of Marshall any day.
#739
OK I have to chuckle at the sidebar I have on my screen advertising this free Strategy Game called War2.
:lol: Y’know the one with the smokin’ hot scantily clad babe wearing a helmet…
Obviously these guys have put a LOT of research into this to really ratchet up the realism.
And LH, tell me she’s a new tech appearing in Global. :evil:
Amazon Supermodel Infantry
#738
Excellent!!
And now we’re just waiting for the Italian sub??
#737
Maybe not every canadians but a lot think that way.
Only those who are misinformed.
Have you spoken to vets of OP JUBILEE or even current CF Members about whether they think the British sent Cdns to Dieppe so that the British wouldn’t have to go?
You realy think they had the choice?
If you received and order from your superior…you’re going to say…no i’ m sorry!
Actually yes they did have a choice.
No Canadians were sent into harm’s way without the explicit agreement by the Canadian Government in WW2. In the case of Dieppe the Cdn Govt was actively seeking to get into the fight and requested to participate in the raid.
#736
For the English…Dieppe was a raid to test the german defenses on the French coasts.
For the Canadians, it’s a useless massacre.
Once again, English used Canadian soldiers to save their skin.
You’re definitely not speaking for “the Canadians” with that anti-British viewpoint.
It was the Cdn Army that pushed to have 2 Div perform OP JUBILEE.
#735
…I just am having trouble seeing how a A&A med would be all that different from AAE40. The historical med theater from 1940 to 1945 certainly involved politics and economics/production.
Well obviously if AAMed is going to take the form of AAE40 or AAP40 then it would be at a Grand Strategic scale… however I don’t think anyone is thinking Larry or WOTC will be producing another game of that scale any time soon but anticipating a game using the “Big Battle format” to be far more likely.
So to consider the ones CHL listed in a Big Battle format I think you’d be looking at something similar to what was done with Guadalcanal…
Guadalcanal I’d call operational owing to its supply and regroup mechanics. But I can’t see any grand strategy at that level.
On the other hand, D-Day - where things are more spoon-fed to you - seems to come across as more tactical than operational. More: You get what you get… now shuddup and fight.
(Mind you I confess I’m just looking over the books I don’t play either of those games)
#734
What do you think Calvin on Dunkirk? And, what’s your take on Dieppe: true invasion or suicide mission designed for intelligence gathering?
Dieppe was never supposed to be an invasion.
It was a large scale raid. Hit n’ Git.
#733
WOTC, but ive seen them refered to ask monkies before, by IL himself no less, and no one thought that was in bad taste
Only because nobody asked any actual chimpanzees.
#733
Generaly theater level games are considered grand strategy where your moving units and forces to general locations but not moving them around on or near the battlefield. Which is pretty much standard A&A.
hmmm I’ve never heard of WW2 theatres as grand strategy as that usually consists of an entire nation’s resources, goals and gets involved in the foreign policy and the politics of the nation. The highest level of war fighting.
The Operational Art of warfare usually occupies itself with addressing concerns of logistics, cooperation and synergy, and… well it is still a pretty vague term but generally you can whittle it down to how you fight a series of battles. So, zero economics or politics but still above the gun sights.
General Officer stuff but not Joint Chiefs and not LCols.
Anyway, I think we’re getting side-tracked from the original point being made my CHL: if the game is theatre-specific then the designers can layer on theatre-specific rules.
#732
And I suppose the Battle of Britian could include operation Sea Lion, but if its to be historical some games will be alot shorter as the land invasion may never happen.
yes definitely it would have to be a three-phase deal: skies, channel, boots on the ground.
You only get to proceed to the next phase by successfully completing previous phases.
#731
Well, since the operational level falls between the tactical (battle-fighting) and strategic (war-fighting) levels, it deals with the level of the campaign where a series of battles work synergistically to achieve higher goals in pursuit of strategic direction.
So in other words, it is mid-way between BOTB and AA50… which is where I think some of the listed options would fall.
#728
But your talking about games that cover many years and many different campaigns, so where does the operational scale come in?
1942, AA50, and 1940 are all grand strategy games with pretty much the same rules. 1942 is the standard game, AA50 and AA1940 are the result of Larry Harris’s Advanced A&A project. The conflicts you suggest for the next A&A game would also fall under the catogory of grand strategy games because there going to cover multiple campaigns and encompass the econamies of entire nations.
I don’t think any of the theatres that CHL mentioned could be considered grand strategy… OK I guess from India’s standpoint, for example, CIB is as big as it needs to get. Likewise the Med from Malta’s standpoint etc.
But really each of those options are focusing on a single theatre albeit throughout the course of the war. Sounds Operational scale to me.
#730
Well, since the operational level falls between the tactical (battle-fighting) and strategic (war-fighting) levels, it deals with the level of the campaign where a series of battles work synergistically to achieve higher goals in pursuit of strategic direction.
So in other words, it is mid-way between BOTB and AA50… which is where I think some of the listed options would fall.
#728