@Krieghund:
@Craig:
MaherC on January 25, 2010, 12:45:18 pm
Krieghund on January 22, 2010, 12:24:13 pm
Playtesters never test the final product. Once it’s final, it’s a little too late for testing. Once the game design is finalized, it’s up to the editors to make sure that nothing changes during the translation from prototype to final product. There are many steps in which mistakes can be made.
Kreig you seem to be a decent guy, but I declare shenanigans on what you say here regarding the map itself. Are you saying the map you played on had the lines for the sea zones correct? That the names on the board were spelled correctly? That the setup didn’t have misspellings? How about the rule regarding IPC values for Maj ICs? No one caught the issue in Australia? Or the rule about IC’s on an island? No one caught NZ?
I will let Krieghund answer these specific questions himself, but I will say that in working on AA50 and then AAE 40/AA40 Global, he is right in saying these issues (or the vast majority) are coming from the WotC side of the equation.
I am not saying that at all. I cannot and will not comment on where in the process any particular error occurred. My point was simply that there are many points in the process in which they may occur, and certain parts of the process may be beyond the control of any specific individual. That being said, game design and production is a team effort, and we are all collectively responsible for the final product. Anyone outside the process cannot possibly know which individual or individuals are to blame for any given error, and I’m not about to point fingers.
Again, to clarify. Not attacking anyone, except WOTC. Someone had said all the threads eventually reach the point where we bash WOTC.
I said that more eyes were needed on the game before it was released. I asked if the map was “correct” in regards to sea zones before it went gold, because if you guys saw the same typos and map lines on your beta copies, then…you missed errors.
If you didn’t have these issues, If Palau was spelled correctly etc, and Sea Zone 5/6 touched the proper land borders and WOTC changed lines on the map for some reason, then they are deserving of our contempt.
I don’t want to drop another $90 on Europe without trying at the least to get WOTC to take a look at the way they do things.
Look at the forum thread on getting extra pieces. How many people have posted that they are getting cut and paste replies with no sign of people actually reading their email? I had this, I called them (literally) on it, and boom. I’m supposedly getting more Tac Bombers. We’ll see.
Calling them chimps on the forum does nothing, actually take the 6 minutes and CALL THEM. Even if you think you aren’t getting anything across, I’m sure they have to log calls, and when they see the complaints about insufficient pieces they might do the math and see that including more plastic is more cost efficient than paying 10 people $10.60 and hour to answer complaint calls. Ever have a problem with a cell phone company? Keep calling in. They think like this. I get a new phone from Verizon YEARLY because I call and complain when mine breaks 3 weeks after the warranty runs out. Keep calling. They see you are tying up a Rep. multiple times a week, they write off a new phone for you. Just to make you go away.