Subs in battle

Thanks everyone. :)

Thanks. I was not sure the general rule apply in this specific case.

No.

@Gravy:

Also, I’m attacking your lone sub with 2 of my own subs.  Do we all get a “first strike” ability since there are no destroyers involved.

Yes.

@Gravy:

I know you need a destroyer in order for planes to attack them but you don’t need a destroyer for lets say your battleship to attack an enemy sub do you?

No.

@calvinhobbesliker:

Does anyone know of a battle calculator that takes the rules of P40 into account?(carriers attacking at 0 and taking 2 hits, possibility for BB’s and CV’s to be damaged before battle, Mech inf, tactical bmrs.)

Triplea is an amazing free program that allows you to play axis and allies realtime against players all over the world, play by email, play by yourself, or play against the weak computer ai.

triplea has classic(World War II Classic), revised (World War II Revised), anniversary(World War II V3), and aa42(World War II V4). the names in brackets are the names triplea uses for legal reasons.

pac40 (World War II Pacific, note Pacific Alpha is the original pacific game released in 2001) map and units are completed but the game is not finished yet as the naval and air bases do not work. because the bases do not effect the units the battle calculator works perfectly.

to use the battle calc
download triplea
download pac40 map
open a game of pac40
click on game tab at top of triplea tool bar
scroll down to battle calculator
enter your attacking and defending units

you can download it here http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki/TripleA

@calvinhobbesliker:

Yes

though technically I believe a submarine can only be “submerged” during the combat phase and after the combat phase ends it is no longer considered “submerged”. So during any collect income phase, submarines cannot be submerged for any reason regardless at that point in a turn.

I believe Kreig has previously expressed the problems with the rule as submarines are often “submerged” regardless and it’s a misnomer.

@Gravy:

Can I move my carriers into a sea zone that has 2 enemy subs in it in order to land my fighters on them during non-combat phase.

Also do subs get to fire at surface ships that move thru their sea zones. I know they get to fire at transports but not sure about surface ships.  Thanks

Yes, if there is no enemy surface warship present, you can always choose to ignore enemy subs (and transports) during movement in combat or noncombat.

No.

@Gravy:

Okay, don’t have the rules in front of me so I  have another question.  US attacks a Jap  fleet with only subs.  Since the Jap fleet has a destroyer and the US doesn’t, do the Japanese subs in her fleet get a first strike attack and at what die roll. Totally confused with this rule.

My reading of the rules is that yes, the Japanese subs get first strike as the US doesn’t not have ASW provided by a destroyer.  Subs roll at a 1 for defense.  Roll for your sub stack, US removes hits (rolls of 1) from the board immediately.  Then US can roll for his remaining subs at 2 (for attack).