Questions about DEI political situation.


  • krieg, I understand the whole Dutch exception rule. Many times you refer to it as the treat the Dutch as if their capital has fallen, just as you would any other power. Then there’s the UK/Anz have a special deal worked out w/Dutch to take ownership (noncombat). Ok I could see that too. What I don’t get is when say the Anz capital falls, and the same liberties are not given. I would expect that the UK & Anz would have a similar deal worked out. Their bond was much closer.

    My question is why did we stop there?
    I have never liked the fact that in AA games once a capital falls, you have to wait for the enemy to capture your allies tt so you can liberate them, giving the IPC’s back to your side. Japan & Russia were isolationist, but the rest would have allowed some kind of deal for their friends one would think.

  • Official Q&A

    Interesting question, Bill.  I guess the answer is that the UK and ANZAC are powers in the game, capable of taking care of themselves (theoretically), but France and the Netherlands are not.  You have to draw the line somewhere.  It’s just one of many instances where “realism” loses out to game play.


  • Thanks Krieg, for a straight forward answer. I appreciate that you didn’t try to sugar coat it. Maybe at some point Larry will revisit some of the fallen capital rules. Seems like they are changing very slowly when you consider the Dutch, French and even China. For now house rules will have to do, but as you pointed out the income slides would be be a concern for game play, not to mention the effect on other IC’s.

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    Hell, you might even want to lose a capital, just so you can spend all your income in one place :P


  • Maybe Larry is trying to change the game and by doing this is by mudderling up the old way to help the new way as Wild Bill said.

    I would hope that when Europe 40 is out, all the muddle-up-ness is clear and alot of the Dutch and political situation is understood.
    You have to think however, if a new person just getting into the game of AA just picked up this game and never knew of the internet and excpecialy sites like this, would those players be as muddled up as we all seem to be by reading the rule book?

    I have a question which could happen…( kinda going off topic with DEI…but still politics…! ). If Japan somehow manages to take San Fran on US Western State, the US doesn’t hand over the money to Japan ( unlike previous AA games ) correct…?
    so what would the IPC value be for Japan at the collect income stage…10 or 50?

    BH


  • @Bravehart:

    I have a question which could happen…( kinda going off topic with DEI…but still politics…! ). If Japan somehow manages to take San Fran on US Western State, the US doesn’t had over the money to Japan ( unlike previous AA games ) correct…?
    so what would the IPC value be for Japan at the collect income stage…10 or 50?

    Since the US income is raised to 50 immediately when the US is attacked then it would be 50.

  • Official Q&A

    The additional 40 income is a US NO, so Japan would not get it.


  • @Krieghund:

    The additional 40 income is a US NO, so Japan would not get it.

    I understand the reasoning behind this, but I wish it wasn’t the case – At least for the Global game. It makes sense for Pacific, since you plunder all USA IPCs upon capture.

    But in the Global game, having the WUSA be worth 50 IPCs (or at least 25 or something) would give Japan a reason to actually push towards an American homeland invasion, rather than simply trying to keep the USA navy at bay while they focus on controlling the rest of the Pacific and most of Asia.

    Maybe in the combined game there could be some sort of Japanese NO for controlling the WUSA? Maybe 15 IPC’s or something?


  • @Krieghund:

    The additional 40 income is a US NO, so Japan would not get it.

    This of course would be clearer if the map made no mention of 50 on it and it was specified only in the National Objectives list.  Is there a reason it was printed on the map rather than simply an objective which read: 40 IPCs for controlling West USA and are at war with Japan?

    I can only assume that perhaps in the Global game the 50 is printed so that it’s clear what the value is to the US in case all other national objectives are optional (as is the case with AA50) but USA wartime economy is not?

    @Incline:

    @Krieghund:

    The additional 40 income is a US NO, so Japan would not get it.

    I understand the reasoning behind this, but I wish it wasn’t the case – At least for the Global game. It makes sense for Pacific, since you plunder all USA IPCs upon capture.

    But in the Global game, having the WUSA be worth 50 IPCs (or at least 25 or something) would give Japan a reason to actually push towards an American homeland invasion, rather than simply trying to keep the USA navy at bay while they focus on controlling the rest of the Pacific and most of Asia.

    Maybe in the combined game there could be some sort of Japanese NO for controlling the WUSA? Maybe 15 IPC’s or something?

    Think of it this way:  10 IPCs represents the raw material and economic infrastructure of West USA.  the 40 IPCs represent a willing populace working around the clock in a patriotic ferver.  Japan wouldn’t be able to just invade West US and expect even 1/5th of the productivity the WestUS enjoyed.  They’re lucky to get that 10 even with a boost in morale at home.  Plus it means the US is demoralized and lost 50, and that’s a reason to push for it.  However, if you actually capture it, face it, the game is probably over so does it matter how much you get?


  • @Bravehart:

    I have a question which could happen…( kinda going off topic with DEI…but still politics…! ). If Japan somehow manages to take San Fran on US Western State, the US doesn’t had over the money to Japan ( unlike previous AA games ) correct…?
    so what would the IPC value be for Japan at the collect income stage…10 or 50?
    BH

    @Krieghund:

    The additional 40 income is a US NO, so Japan would not get it.

    I think there were 2 questions here.

    1. Yes japan would only get the 10 IPC ,not the 50 (Krieg)
    2. Yes Japan would get any stored IPC that the US had as W. US is considered a capital in AA40P. So is India(UK), and N S Wales (Anz) for game purposes. Pg# 18 capturing/lib Capitals.

  • Thanks for answering both of you

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