New flak rules for AA gun



  • @Imperious:

    …. resolves the issues that your allied AA gun does not protect your factories…

    :? where does it say that in the rules?  Given that Allies jointly defend a space, this seems a little out of sync, eh?  😐

    @Imperious:

    All enemy captured AA flak batteries should be considered destroyed.

    Well I definitely agree with that.

    Always seemed a little puzzling. And I’ve tried to rationalize that the piece represents infrastructure as well as armament and maybe that’s why it survives… but not all the voices in my head are falling for it.



  • @Imperious:

    In the game the AA gun IS not ‘planes’

    Thats like the old often defeated argument that “transports are also warships and not just transports”

    or “Battleships are also cruisers”

    Each piece is what it is and not a hybrid of different types of units.

    Only the artillery could also include tanks in terms of self propelled artillery.

    How is that often defeated?  I have actually never heard anybody argue against that and make sense.

    With land units I think it makes more sense that there is a slight mix of unit types in each piece.  With naval units, however, a battleship simply represents battleships and carriers are carriers and so on, but each unit would probably also include a very small amount of support ships.

    In a game that isn’t very detailed, like in Axis and Allies, its foolish to have very specific rules applying to one-off moments in history or to minutiae like this rule involving AA guns.  It’s like when people try to incorporate the rules from Europe involving bomber escorts into Revised or AA50 - with each turn representing a period of several months and each territory representing miles upon miles of land or entire countries, I think it’s insane that they want a rule that makes a unit shaped like a fighter accompany a unit shaped like a bomber to actually mean that there are fighter escorts with the bomber.

    SBR doesn’t represent one bombing run, it represents a month long campaign and its effects.  A bomber piece is assumed to have escorts fighters with it already - without them the bombing runs would be far less effective.

    Likewise, If a piece is destroyed, it doesn’t necessarily represent EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT DIVISION dying, it represents a significant enough number of them being taken as casualties, making the unit is ineffective in combat.

    Sorry to go on this rant in this thread, but back on topic.

    All above said: AA guns are not planes.  That simply doesn’t work out right.

    I don’t really like this rule, at least not for AA 50 or revised, but maybe for a game that has a lot of focus to detail.  I feel like Germany and possibly UK would be the only powers to throw money at it, and even then, nothing more than two levels.



  • @Imperious:

    Radar should provide a boost. definatly.

    By how much then? roll at a 2 or 3?


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    just by one not two.



  • @Cobert:

    It’s like when people try to incorporate the rules from Europe involving bomber escorts into Revised or AA50 - with each turn representing a period of several months and each territory representing miles upon miles of land or entire countries, I think it’s insane that they want a rule that makes a unit shaped like a fighter accompany a unit shaped like a bomber to actually mean that there are fighter escorts with the bomber.

    Well I can see your point ref scale of the action and so I’d support the geographic boundary with no house rule for CAP or any FTRs defending adjacent space etc.

    But otherwise, I’m leaning towards the optional escort / interceptor rule as it reflects the operational decision on whether you use your fighter resources defensively or base them forward to project air cover.


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