Subs… what's the point?



  • Subs….What’s the point?

    War…What is it good for?

    good god y’all!


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    The great thing about modern versions of Axis and Allies, is that there is no one “simple” way to win every single game on a certain side.

    Now mixed armies, combined arms, and mobility focus, are what rule the day.

    Subs are another tool in the box, To be used according to ones need, They have their very special place.

    Take a look at this current game vs DM

    http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13870.195

    This is how the odd sub or two, and good management of local starting pieces and Aircraft, can Keep Japan at bay, while still focusing on the European Campaign.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Nomination for most worthless piece:  Russian sub!

    Axis-Roll??!! !?? Are you kidding me?

    Perhaps nomination for the most Annoying piece of all time, but certainly not useless,  Too many games I’ve seen have come down to clutch battles involving the russian Sub :S  Definetly not useless,  I wouldn’t trade it for 3 inf or 2 arm on R1 in any version 😛 (Well maybe Europe 😄 )



  • @Gargantua:

    Nomination for most worthless piece:  Russian sub!

    Axis-Roll??!! !?? Are you kidding me?

    Perhaps nomination for the most Annoying piece of all time, but certainly not useless,  Too many games I’ve seen have come down to clutch battles involving the russian Sub :S  Definetly not useless,  I wouldn’t trade it for 3 inf or 2 arm on R1 in any version 😛 (Well maybe Europe 😄 )

    Hmmm

    I think you’re being sarcastic, but I can not tell for sure

    either way, I stand by my statement.  Russian sub: worthless.
    Unless you are in a longer game (6+ rounds) to get it to the pacific or thru the canal to the indian ocean in combination with some Russia planes… then it MIGHT make the japanese player notice one extra sub.

    Certainly not a game difference maker.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Ask Tim The Enchanter if that sub matters at all, and see what he has to say 😛



  • In 1942 russia starts with a fighter and a bomber.  Combined with the sub, you can get some interesting results.

    In a recent game, i used them to take out the italian fleet after the yanks weakened it with an airstrike.  While it was a negative result in material terms, it locked down africa nicely for the allies.

    You could even plop another russian sub or two in sz16 at about round 3 (provided the italians havent bought a destroyer yet) and you have a mean little threat going on in the med.  Depending on the situation, it could be well worth it passing on a few inf at that point if you can chase out the italian fleet.

    The russian sub is also really useful for beefing up the british navy on defence in early rounds when its vulnerable to german combined air/navy strikes.  Might let you buy another transport instead of a destroyer.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @General:

    In every game of axis and allies AA I have played… Subs havebeen useless.  Nobody has ever bought any subs.  Destroyers are so esily obtained and massed with a fleet they provide cover from subs.  Germany was famed for its “wolfpack” but in AA germany doesnt even get to build a fleet unless the allies are losing hard.

    Can anyone advocate the use of subs for any power in the game?

    I can’t.

    Sorry if I repeat someone but here goes:

    Point of Submarines:

    If you build a significant number of them before the enemy, and the enemy cannot keep up with destroyers, you can have a cheaper win.

    Odds of Success:

    Minimal at best.  Your opponent would have to be pretty dense to let you amass a huge fleet of submarines without having at least 50% that number in defensive destroyers/bonus hits on battleships to soak them.

    Realistic Outcome:

    Either no one has submarines, or everyone has submarines and no one has a surface fleet.  It just seems that’s where things pan out.  This is awesome since no one can really win the game without surface ships since both sides have an island capitol.


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