Islaam really isn't as violent as you think


  • I guess the honour goes to the Canucks and Ozzies alone :)


  • @ZimZaxZeo:

    Awright: Assuming that the per capita stats are available, and that such stats be of unassailable integrity, I will consider conditionally ceding the wide-body toilet issue to the honorable delegates from Australia, Germany, and (sigh) Canada.

    :lol:
    we really don’t need the wide-body toilet stats.
    i think that Americans outweigh us:
    Obese Canadians - 14.6%, Americans 22.6% . . . maybe there are more Americans who play A&A relative to Canadians (although we are fatter than most Europeans)?


  • and canadians are healthyr


  • @GeZe:

    and canadians are healthyr

    longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality and smoking rates . . . .


  • and were not americans!


  • Higher Suicide rates in Canada I believe.


  • @Yanny:

    Higher Suicide rates in Canada I believe.

    i don’t know the numbers, but that wouldn’t surprise me at all. I would be curious at adjusted rates comparisons - removing the numbers of aboriginal suicides in our stats vs. removing the afro-american suicides in American stats. Just to seen “marginal persons adjusted” rates.


  • Actually, I believe the higher suicide rate is caused by geography. Because your so far north, your nights are longer. Lack of Sunlight can cause varioius mental diseases, including extreme depression which can bring someone to suicide. Its the reason why Alaska has the highest suicide rate in America.


  • yeah,
    that seasonal affective disorder can be a bitch.
    still, much of the population is within 100 km of the 49th parallel, and majority is south of it.


  • Interesting :)


  • …and, speaking of disorders…

    If anyone would care to start a new thread called,

    “The Catholic Church in America really isn’t as perverted as you think”

    please post a note here.


  • please don’t.


  • Whoops – guess I hit a nerve. I was aiming for the funny bone… which can be a risky place to operate when the subject is religion.


  • eh, no biggie no beatdown. :wink:


  • less perveted? its more!


  • …quoting from Jay Leno, “What do Bernard Law and Mark McGwire have in common? — They’re both retired Cardinals.”

    Interesting to contrast the current status of this particular branch of organized big-time religion (Catholicism), which has had a 900-year headstart on Islam. Some aspects are ossified, some are radically active, it has had schism upon schism, its spread has reached every conceivable geography.

    And while in North America it would not generally be identified with militarism or terrorism, there certainly are places where local governments see the Church as either fomenting or supporting armed rebellion – whether we are speaking of Northern Ireland or some Latin American nations. The Church probably had a supporting role in the overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines.

    In heavily Catholic Poland, the Church provided the Solidarnosc labor union and human rights movement the critical sanctuary to hold meetings and network, throughout the anti-Soviet uprising of the 1980s.

    In other lands, e.g. Italy and France, the Church is identified with the most conservative, entrenched sectors of society.

    And there are still other views: I have little doubt that the various Protestant and Catholic branches of Christianity are fused, in the minds of many a Middle Eastern Muslim, with the militaristic projection of “Western” culture – ironic for a religion with roots no less “Eastern” than Islam. (Just ask any Native American if Christian missionaries came from the east or the west.)

    Catholicism in the US has always bred a spectrum of activists, from essentially communist or socialist type champions of the poor, to faith-directed antinuclear and antiviolence organizers, to the “Onward Christian Soldiers” types who are ready to brandish the “just war” stamp of approval at the drop of a hat.

    And now, with war-and-peace crises, rampant plagues, famine, and other reports of disaster issuing from every time zone on Earth, what are the 35 million or so Catholics in the US in an uproar over? The home town Church acting like a fortress to shield those within its ranks who prey on children! As one priest in Boston said, it is like something out of the Dark Ages.

    Instead of millions of bucks headed out to the streets to fight disease, hunger and poverty, those millions of bucks will go toward making some restitution to the thousands of adults who are suing the Church for crimes against their own childhoods. It’s like a class-action suit against an asbestos manufacturer, where the damage isn’t visible for 20 years after the exposure. If this isn’t VIOLENCE committed under the banner of a religion, I don’t know what is…

    More’s the pity!


  • the violence is not committed under the banner of religion. no more than crimes in America are committed under tha banner of nationalism.
    Certainly the “violence” is committed within the auspices of a religious organization, however you may look at coaches who sexually assault their hockey players (Graham James for example). Now the coach is there in a position of trust, and in order to advance in hockey is very difficult to do without the good will of your coach. These perverted acts by coaches and priests (and schoolteachers, busdrivers, doctors, lawyers, fathers, uncles, prisoncellmates) take place because of opportunity - not as an application of religion/sport/education/medicine/law/familyrearing/prison etc. You have sick and twisted people in every branch of life. These things are more shocking because they are coming to light now, and happened in a religious institution - one that should be protecting people.
    Shame on them.
    but be careful about blaming religion. it has enough problems anyway.


  • Catholics are the most evenly split politically, of any religion in America. (In 2000 49% voted for Gore, 47% voted for Bush) The Jews vote left, evangelical christians vote right.

    I attribute that Catholic teachings align with Leftist economics and Rightist social/moral policies.


  • @F_alk:

    conversion of non-jews/christians/zoroastrians.

    Who was not one of these three?


  • You’re blaming an institution for human nature.

    Would you say day-care workers are perverted just because a high percentage (much higher than any clergy in any denomination) of them are pedophiles?

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