Looking for the 1941 and 1942 setup maps in PDF format

42 will give you more of the “typical” A&A scenario (Germany starts deep in Russia, Japan is at its historical apex, etc.).

41 will give you a new experience, where the Axis haven’t really started expanding yet, but are tremendously strong compared to the Allies.

If you’re all around the same skill level, play 42. If you have a mix of stronger and poorer players, play 41 with Objectives Off and have the stronger players take the Axis. Axis are stronger in AA50 but harder to play, so the learning curve should be enough to keep the stronger players on their toes.

Good luck with your game!

@Imperious:

Yes get rid of that factory idea, but give Egypt a few more men. The Russian thing seems correct: add a fighter, 1 tank, and a few Inf.

Thanks Imperios Leader.

A factory for free is maybe too much with the 41 UK starting IPCs.

Think 2 Inf in Egypt an 2 Inf for the Russians (+Figther +Tank) will be ok.

@Dylan:

Whoever voted the last one is on crack!

I thought it might be interesting if I made that a poll choice, and sure enough, someone picked it  :-)

Let’s do the numbers:

Bismarck class battleship armor: belt 145-320 mm, deck 110-120 mm
Deutschland class pocket battleship armor: belt 80 mm, deck 40 mm
Admiral Hipper class heavy cruiser armor: belt 70-80 mm, deck 20-50 mm

From this, it sure looks to me like the pocket battleship’s armor is a lot closer to the cruiser’s than the battleship’s.

LMFAO!!

…and although their displacement was that of a heavy cruiser, they were armed with guns larger than the heavy cruisers of other nations.

Yea lets do the numbers, except not compare a super dreadnought in the same navy with its own pocket battleship. Instead we compare the pocket battleship to normal warships that could be opposing it ( from England)

HMS Exeter ( Heavy cruiser)

* 3 in
   * 2½-1 in enclosing bulkheads

* 1¼ in over machinery
   * 1½ in over stearing gear

county class cruiser
Main belt:

* 4.5 in with 1 in closing bulkheads (Berwick, Cumberland, Suffolk, Kent & Cornwall only, from 1935-)

Lower deck:

* 1.25 in over machinery
   * 1.5 in over steering gear

Admiral Graf Spee:
belt:  about 3.937 inches–- compared to 3 inches for uk
deck:  1.5 inches-3.5 inches— compared to equal to double uk cruisers

King George V class BB…basically the top of the line Battleship for UK
Main belt: 14.7 in
lower belt: 5.4 in
deck: up to 5.38 in

Kongo Class battleship ( just for example)
deck: 2.3–1.5 in
belt: 8–3 in

OK based on this the German ships should be one hit, but at 4-4 and not 3-3

To all,

But perhaps the main point would be to make it as balanced as possible? Not as good as possible. If you found out 12 ipcs to china would make for a balanced game, maybe that would be the best solution?

I agree with this statement as much as possible.  If we’re going to bid, it might as well reflect the changes in A&A:50 as a NEW game.  I’m sorry but extra infantry/tanks in the Caucuses or in Egypt screams a retread of A&A over and over again.  It may help the Allies win easiest, which is what they’ve always been doing with KGF.

Lets put those extra IPCs in China (or the Pacific) so that those 32243 extra rules about China are worth memorizing.

@marechallannes:

@Driel310:

To add to that, putting in an extra DD in SZ15 makes a shitload of difference since Germany is now unable to attack Egypt on G1, making life hard on Italy as you described.

Of course you have all the liberty of the world to guess the correct setup as we don’t know the whole true one, but this change is so big impact on game balance is very substantial.  :wink:

p.s. trust me, if Japan wants, India will fall on J2. Only the Russians can prevent that, but I doubt they can spare the troops.

Did you play it with this DD in SZ 15?  When did you take egypt?

I am not shure to sacrify the german bomber for a landing operation in turn 1…

No we did not. We used the R9 version of the map Bluestroke made. We believe that is the only setup that has some basis, the pictures from GenCon. Any changes to that setup (although we got confirmed there are some) are pure speculation.

And unless you are unlucky, Germany should not push the Egypt attack until the bomber dies too.