• @Cmdr:

    Anyway, why does it seem any day in Winter that gets into the low 40s is heralded as proof positive that man-made global warming is real but entire months in the summer that used to be in the upper 90s, lower 100s that don’t even get into the 90s anymore is not proof positive that man-made global warming does not exist?

    Hmm, interesting that….

    When you don’t know the difference between climate and weather it can be very difficult to put aside confirmation bias.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    The Environment and Public Works Committee published a US Senate Minority Report on Dec. 11, 2008, stating that 650 international scientists have united to debunk global warming claims. Some previously supported the Kyoto Treaty or were members of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author states, “The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water, and soil.” He says that those people summarizing scientific reports for the UN IPCC have distorted the science.

    Another UN IPCC Scientist, Japan’s Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist states, Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”

    “Many (scientists) are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined,” states atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

    Carbon dioxide (CO2) built up in the atmosphere lags about eight centuries behind the rise of atmospheric temperatures, just the opposite of what Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth” preaches.

    If Al Gore had superimposed the CO2 and temperature graphs on each other it would have been apparent that the build up of CO2 in our atmosphere lagged behind the rise of atmospheric temperatures. I wonder why he didn’t superimpose them?

    The temperatures of the earth’s oceans have risen by less than a half degree Celsius in more than a century. Research by MIT’s Dr. Carl Wunsch shows that slightly heating oceanic water releases tremendous quantities of CO2. Conversely, slightly cooling oceanic waters turns the oceans into CO2 sinks, absorbing vast quantities of CO2.

    Analysis of ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica give us the temperature and CO2 content of the earth’s atmosphere for the last 400 thousand to 600 thousand years.

    When worldwide atmospheric temperatures decline, it takes centuries for the oceans to cool thus creating a CO2 sink that absorbs CO2. It is obvious that temperature controls the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. Al Gore had it exactly backwards.

    CO2 in our atmosphere, especially CO2 attributable to man, is negligible as a green-house gas as it comprises only three percent of earth’s greenhouse gases, and man generates only 1.9 percent of this 3 percent. This is less than six hundreds of one percent of the greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

    Our atmosphere contains 764 billion metric tons (BMT’s) of CO2, soils and vegetation 2,100 BMT’s, fossil fuels 4,000 BMT’s, oceans 39,000 BMT’s and sedimentary rocks such as limestone 80,000 BMT’s of CO2. The oceans contain more than fifty times as much CO2 as the earth’s atmosphere.

    It is apparent that if oceanic waters release even one percent of their dissolved CO2 it would raise atmospheric CO2 by more than fifty percent.

    The oceans are earth’s buffer and reservoir for CO2. From this, it is quite apparent that man’s contribution to global warming or change is nonexistent.

    There is a correlation between solar activity (sunspots) and earth’s temperature. We see an increase in earth’s temperature with an increase in sunspots. A lack of sunspots sees the earth cool.

    Presently, the sun is quiescent and during this time of few to no sunspots the earth’s temperature has been decreasing. Some climatologists and astronomers including some top Russian scientists believe we are entering an Ice Age.

    Henrik Svensmark’s book, “The Chilling Stars—A New Theory of Climate Change,” is a major player in the evolving science as it explains why solar variability is the prime driver of earth’s climate.

    Solar storms or sunspots expel electrons and protons creating slow speed cosmic rays. They in turn form a magnetic field deflecting high-speed cosmic rays away from the earth decreasing lower level clouds.

    Conversely, a quiescent sun creates a much smaller magnetic field letting high speed cosmic rays bombard our atmosphere increasing electrons in earth’s lower atmosphere helping water molecules to agglomerate creating more lower level clouds which in turn reflect the suns radiation away cooling the planet.

    Antarctica is the exception, as more clouds will moderate its temperature.

    Even the UN IPCC is saying Man-Made global warming does not exist!  Our CO2 emissions are “insignificant”

    epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9


    @frimmel:

    @Cmdr:

    Anyway, why does it seem any day in Winter that gets into the low 40s is heralded as proof positive that man-made global warming is real but entire months in the summer that used to be in the upper 90s, lower 100s that don’t even get into the 90s anymore is not proof positive that man-made global warming does not exist?

    Hmm, interesting that….

    When you don’t know the difference between climate and weather it can be very difficult to put aside confirmation bias.

    Exactly what I am blaming your side of not knowing.  They cherry pick a few days that support their claim and make a big whoop-de-do about it while entire months that refute their claims are ignored and brushed under the rugs!

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    There goes your “consensus” bunk and with a significantly large portion of the world’s scientists now saying that the evidence supporting the theory that man’s actions are significant enough to cause any portion of environmental change, what will the religion of man-made, global warming do next? (PS just because it is a religion does not mean I am necessarily calling followers fools or dunces.  I believe religion is a very good thing for man.  In the case of the Global Warming Religion, your actions can lead to restoration of wet lands and conservation of forests, both of which make the world a shinier, prettier place.  However, as with all religions, you should be barred from practicing your faith in the public schools.)

    I should mention that it was the senate as controlled by the dominant political party in 2007 that wrote the initial report that was just modified and released for the 2008 year (ending 12/11/2008.)  That party is the one most credited as being full fledged supporters and believers in the concept of man-made global warming and the opposing party had little or no ability to stop them from releasing said reports.

    Also, it seems pretty obvious, but for those who failed to notice the big, bold, black letters this is a report from the Senate thus the Judicial and Executive Branches had no say in the releasing of this report, so any attempt to make a political statement that “Dubya” or “B.Hussein” had undue influence is likewise bunk.


    Funny, the IPCC that is so highly touted as creating a consensus is not even in consensus with itself!  Some of the LEADERS of the IPCC say the entire thing is a hoax!

    That’s akin to finding a diary written by Saint Matthew that Jesus was laughing it up and making up the whole story about being the Son of God.  Or finding the remains of Mohamed or finding research that Buddha was a warmonger!

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    And the hits just keep on coming!

    On 2 January 2009, the Wall Street Journal wrote one of a series of articles apparently co-ordinated throughout the generally alarmist news media throughout the holiday season, trying to overcome the problem posed for “global warming” alarmists by the fact that global mean surface temperatures have been on a downtrend for eight straight years.

    Gee, I think I said that in another thread, global temperatures AS A WHOLE (that would be not the weather, Mr. Frimmel, the entire global climate!) has been DECREASING on average!

    Eight straight years’ global temperature downtrend: The authoritative SPPI composite index of global mean surface temperature anomalies, taking the mean of two surface and two satellite datasets and updated through November 2008, shows a pronounced downtrend for eight full years. Not one of the climate models relied upon by the IPCC had predicted this downturn.

    Gee, another thing I’ve been saying for a decade, the models only produce accurate information if they are programmed correctly to begin with!  Obviously the British Government was correct when they said all the data from the IPCC models was inaccurate!  Even NASA admitted that the data used was accidentally incorrect, they had used September’s data for October’s numbers!

    http://www.baltische-rundschau.eu/?p=3989


    Photographic Evidence of Compromised Data Recording Stations.  These stations are thermometers hung over Air Conditioners, over Blacktop, etc.  All methods to artificially INCREASE recorded temperatures despite the actual temperatures of the area.

    http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

    More documentation of data that was included in the original IPCC reports but was definitely engineered to skew the data and show specific results which are untrue:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/07/25/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-24/


  • Well you know Jennifer, the last time I spent time and effort to refute your ‘claims’ it ended with you suggesting those who think the scientists have their facts in order should blow their brains out.

    Subsequently the thread was deleted.

    Your continued mischarcterisation of science as religion strongly indicates nothing I have said or will say will change your mind.

    I shared an interesting story I found about an ice shelf.

    A 10,000 year old 6000 square mile sized (in 1950) ice shelf is collapsing into the ocean.


  • Well that was fun. And it was real. But it was not real fun.

    This venue is now closed.

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