Ok to refute the argument on LL is less complex, um, there about the same.
With dice you do what you do praying the dice don’t take a dump on you, sending in more units than needed is still wasteful because the dice could just take a larger dump on you. With LL I have to be more aware of strafes, as well as cascading dice failure is a huge issue in LL, something i regularly expose my opponents too. In LL I have true risk management when i send either a DD and a fig at that sub, or a DD and a bomber. Or 2 inf and a fig to trade, or 2 inf and a bomber against that 1 inf. 2 inf + 1 bomb vs 2 inf in LL can turn into me loosing both inf, I still have your ‘risk management’ to deal with.
With dice I just hope for the best, I have no true control over what the dice will do. In LL i have to choose to send the extra units to ensure the result, or not to. I cannot begin to tell you the number of battles that come down to that AA gun hitting, but they do exist. Or the time when my DD+fig missed that sub and it hit, then sunk a tranny next turn.
They are different styles, and neither is the ‘correct’ one, how about we all stop arguing over it. Its like watching a political debate.
In every game of axis and allies AA I have played… Subs havebeen useless. Nobody has ever bought any subs. Destroyers are so esily obtained and massed with a fleet they provide cover from subs. Germany was famed for its “wolfpack” but in AA germany doesnt even get to build a fleet unless the allies are losing hard.
Can anyone advocate the use of subs for any power in the game?
Sorry if I repeat someone but here goes:
Point of Submarines:
If you build a significant number of them before the enemy, and the enemy cannot keep up with destroyers, you can have a cheaper win.
Odds of Success:
Minimal at best. Your opponent would have to be pretty dense to let you amass a huge fleet of submarines without having at least 50% that number in defensive destroyers/bonus hits on battleships to soak them.
Either no one has submarines, or everyone has submarines and no one has a surface fleet. It just seems that’s where things pan out. This is awesome since no one can really win the game without surface ships since both sides have an island capitol.