If you’re ever in the Tampa, FL area, take a couple of hours to visit the S.S. American Victory. Built in 55 days and launched in 1945, she hauled military cargo to the Philippines and China during WWII, and also served in Korea and Vietnam. She’s a floating museum and training ship for first responders now. The American Victory is one of three remaining Victory ships. Well worth the time!
Patton’s Plan for Russia and Macarthur’s plan for China…
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i dont think that the soviets weren North Korea to developit, they were given it because thats were their soldeirs occupied,
i dont thing the UNreally has good intensions, sure their are many who acually belive in the Un but they dont have much power.
i am accauly typing this from a model UN confrence. I am representing Eitiopia in the 1962 General Assembly, we are discussing Pople’s Republic of China’s membership into the UN, of course other cool stuff is going on like a Indian-Sino border conflict aswell as the Cuban Missle crisis.
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Emperor_Taiki,
What is this project you are doing for? (History, Economics, Political Science).
I agree with you about the UN but lets not turn this into a PD.
LT
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It is the annual Chicago International Model United Nations confrence for high school students
It is over the course of 4 days Thursday to Sunday.
They have a 1962 simulation,
there are six bodies that intereact with each other, the UN General Asembly, UN Secuirty Council, and Cabinets for the United States, USSR, China, and IndiaI dont know how much you know about Model UN, but it is competion in which high school and collage students simulate the workings of the UN, as well as other political ogranizations
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If I understand correctly it is kind of like the “boy’s state” program hosted by the American Legion correct?
LT
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Soviet superiority in infantry was approximately 4:1, and more than 2:1 in armor. The Soviets could quickly blitz Turkey, Greece and the Middle East, and potentially ally themselves with Japan. Hence the opinion in US high command that Patton was batshit crazy if he really wanted to attack the Red Army.
I think Atomic weapons and bombers would give the long-term advantage in such a war to the Allies, but they would also have to deal with the destabilization of Western Europe. There was the risk of communism in Germany, France and Italy for a short or long period. One can also imagine a high-level conspiracy or coup by Soviet sympathizers and/or pacifists in the US government, which might could lead to military dictatorship of the right or left. Given these risks and the horrendous loss of life that would result from war, handing over Eastern Europe to the Soviets in exchange for peace and control of Western Europe was an easy choice.
Check out this cool original source….“Operation Unthinkable” from the British High Command.
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Zhukov,
If all that’s true why did Patton feel that due to politics he was not allowed to take Berlin? From what I have read about him he felt like he was coasting to allow the Soviets to catch up.
LT
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By Febuary 1945, the Big 3 had already agreed upon occupation zones at Yalta. The Germans had nothing left for the Western Front after Bulge, since the Russians were advancing on all fronts. So the American army probably could have made it to Berlin (one of the bloodiest battles of the war), but it meant sacrificing lives.
It’s hard to say whether advancing further would have placed enough German Laender under Allied control to achieve a unified liberal democracy in Germany. Undoubtedly attacking Berlin from the air and from the West would have been very costly. Whether the potential benefits are worth the potential cost is for the big boys to decide. It’s also questionable whether the Soviets will leave Vienna if the Americans cling to Berlin.
This is a different topic than whether the Allied armies should have attacked the Red Army or issue an ultimatum.
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This is a different topic than whether the Allied armies should have attacked the Red Army or issue an ultimatum.
Yeah but I have heard it discussed here many times and until now never asked the question. I think we all agree the US was spent and wouldn’t have been able to go to Russia or China at that time.
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i have to strongly disagree with zhukov here.
its not insane to attack the russians.
americans were the only ones with the bomb. japan wouldnt want to get bombed again, and russia could give japan NO support.
american could begin daily bombing runs again on all modes of russian factory output.
plus add nuclear devastation to many key soviet cities and to whole armored divisions.
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i have to strongly disagree with zhukov here.
its not insane to attack the russians.
americans were the only ones with the bomb. japan wouldnt want to get bombed again, and russia could give japan NO support.
american could begin daily bombing runs again on all modes of russian factory output.
plus add nuclear devastation to many key soviet cities and to whole armored divisions.
Nations committing such acts will get retribution in kind, sooner or later. Russia as a state might surrender, but the atomic bomb alone wouldn’t destroy communism completely, and eventually communists (all over the globe) would find a way to respond.
Truthfully I consider it insane to use the atomic bomb at all. Unless it is against aliens.
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