• i think there are americans who are nervous because of noise, americans who are nervous because of silence, and those who are nervous because of both. i’m not nervous, more like wary. i think a lot of every day life can be applied to world affairs. for example, my elementary school experience (forgive any naivete that may come across). the bullies that picked on me were one of two types. those who were loud mouths, and those who “flew below the radar.” the big mouths were more likely to get in trouble with the teachers and were being watched more closely. eventually they could not pick on me anymore. the ones who were subtle had fairly good reps with the teacher, so they got away with bullying.

    my warning is to watch out for the subtle bullies. don’t be anxious and jump at every shadow. that’s dumb. like crying wolf. no one will believe you after a while.


  • @city:

    GeZe,

    Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think anything underwater has moved at super sonic speeds yet. Especially things made in China. 😎

    City on a Hill,

    it is clear you dont read scientific american.(magizine)


  • @yourbuttocks:

    First falk, Rome did have a better navy. It was largely a Roman “feel good” idea that they built this powerful navy out of nothing.

    Carthage had a lot of ships, but many of them were not military and the average quality of their military ships and sailors was lower than Rome. Also, consider that at that time the navy was mostly armies on rafts, thus the army was part of the navy. Plus, Rome was supported by allie’s ships. (Like how the U.S. has support of the S. Korean, British, Taiwanese Navies) Finally, the Romans had experience hunting down pirates, and the Carthegenians were baisically pirates.

    I have no idea where you got that from, but it contradics anything that you can find over here.
    Before the first punic war, Rome had no navy. They then captured a stranded carthagan galley, took it apart, and rebuilt lots of them, inventing the “raven” to turn sea-battles into land battles. So, Rome turned it into “army on rafts”, but before it was ramming and/or setting enemies ships on fire.
    The carthagians where the sea-traders of that time, not pirates. They had military vessels/ a great navy to support that trade.

    What you talk of is the situation before the second or third punic war. But: Did the USA and the PRC go to war for a first time already? 😉


  • Yes, during the Korean War when the Chinese took staggering losses with the North Koreans.


  • wernt they helping the north vetnamies?


  • No, 22 Chinese divisions crossed the Yalu River, which is the border between Manchuria and North Korea during the Korean War when Macarthur’s forces approached the river.


  • ah


  • Macarthur also wanted to expand the war into China which is what led to Truman firing him from the military.


  • yah, that and dropping the Bomb… :-?


  • If MacArthur had his way, the six major bridges accross the Yalu River would have been take out six weeks previous to the Red invasion of 300,000 soldiers…


  • Well, we’ll never know how it would have turnedo ut.


  • @city:

    If MacArthur had his way, the six major bridges accross the Yalu River would have been take out six weeks previous to the Red invasion of 300,000 soldiers…

    mcaurther was still alive?


  • Yes, eh was alive but his carrer wouldn’t be for much longer…


  • Yes, eh was alive but his carrer wouldn’t be for much longer…


  • and he was still in the army?


  • MacArthur was the most decorated man in US Military History. 🙂


  • he was eh. didnt know that


  • Before the first punic war, Rome had no navy. They then captured a stranded carthagan galley, took it apart, and rebuilt lots of them, inventing the “raven” to turn sea-battles into land battles. So, Rome turned it into “army on rafts”, but before it was ramming and/or setting enemies ships on fire.

    This is Roman myth which was recorded as history


  • @yourbuttocks:

    This is Roman myth which was recorded as history

    GRIN
    well, give me evidence that it is a myth then….
    and what the real situation was, with proof.
    or (being unfair now, perlase ignore if you like:) is it a myth a proven as the bible is none 😉 ?


  • Let me explain,

    What I was stating was the opinion I have seen that it is unlikely that the Romans suddenly built a powerful navy out of scratch. However, I can’t remember where I read it, so I will yield the point.

    However, this is different than the bible.


  • @yourbuttocks:

    What I was stating was the opinion I have seen that it is unlikely that the Romans suddenly built a powerful navy out of scratch. However, I can’t remember where I read it, so I will yield the point.

    AFAIR: the building of the navy in such a short time has indirect proof…. they have cut the wood from their penninsula, a massive change in the ecosystem that (still afair) can be traced back.
    ANd of course: “unlikely” is hardly enough to qualify something as a myth… it should be “very unlikely” at least 🙂

    However, this is different than the bible.

    yup.


  • It is just as much fact as Hector’s stand or the founding of Rome in 762 B.C. by Romulus and Remus.

    For Roman historians, myths and any good stories were legitimate history.

    How do you know all of that wood was cut in an extremley short period of time?


  • @yourbuttocks:

    It is just as much fact as Hector’s stand or the founding of Rome in 762 B.C. by Romulus and Remus.

    For Roman historians, myths and any good stories were legitimate history.

    Please, to bring back the bible. You accept it as history, but take this above as myth? Why is there a difference, and which?

    How do you know all of that wood was cut in an extremley short period of time?

    It takes much longer for trees to regrow. Plus: depending on the soil where the trees stood before, they might not grow back at all, if you have…. ack… if you lose the soil through the influence of wind and water.

    Another example:
    We still can tell (here in northern germany) that the Hanse built a lot of ships during the medieval age. The ecosystem created by that is just slowly growing back to be a forest.


  • The Romans never considered their histories to be divinely inspired or even accurate.

    Unlike the Christians, Jews, Muslims.


  • @yourbuttocks:

    The Romans never considered their histories to be divinely inspired or even accurate.

    Unlike the Christians, Jews, Muslims.

    Well, i guess they considered it accurate to a point.
    But then, we are talking of todays historians and their work to recover the truth out of what survived. And if you look there, you will find more evidence for “Rome had no navy before the first Punic war” than not.

    And that is what we where talking about. You called that a myth, while somewhere else claimed the bible to be true. The evidence for the history of the romans is there, and less controversly discussed than any evidence for the historical correctness of descriptions found in the bible.

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