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North Korea



  • They finally admitted that they are developing nukes.

    Your thoughts?



  • CLARIFICATION:
    They admitted they had continued working on their Nuke program
    AFTER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION CAUGHT THEM IN THE ACT WITH INSPECTIONS WHICH THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION HAD BEEN LAX IN PERFORMING!



  • AFTER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION CAUGHT THEM IN THE ACT WITH INSPECTIONS WHICH THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION HAD BEEN LAX IN PERFORMING!

    No proof that any new information was found. I think N.Korea just wisened up and smelled the gunpowder and confessed.



  • All I can say is, thank you very much Bill Clinton! Sure… we can trust the North Korean Regime 😮



  • Yea. Amazing. A kid in my class tried convincing me (recently) that Clinton had outstanding foreign policy skills. Hmm… :-?

    I think North Korea is a different situation than Iraq. There are different circumstances to consider, for example: North Korea is desperately relying on foreign aid money and supplies simply to keep it’s citizens alive. If they take the risk of stop receiving that aid, they’ll be digging their own grave. It’ll probably be easier to disable (or at least stall) the nuclear program in NK, without using our military.



  • Psssttt… Saddam cannot survive without his own oil exports… :-?



  • ya, but thats trade not aid (I rymed! :D)



  • Remember the Oil for Food program?



  • Yea, but it didn’t do anything to stop Saddam. Who do you think all the food went to? Him and his soldiers. That’s why everyone is serving under a dictator that they hate…



  • (1) which inspections did GWN send there, what did they find (presumed they were there).
    (2) Will North Korea be annihalted before or after the Iraq? They admit they will try to develop nuclear weapons…. does that qualify for an instantanous attack?



  • @F_alk:

    (1) which inspections did GWN send there, what did they find (presumed they were there).
    (2) Will North Korea be annihalted before or after the Iraq? They admit they will try to develop nuclear weapons…. does that qualify for an instantanous attack?

    don’t forget - they’re communists, and they don’t like America, and they’ve been hostile to America’s allies in the past.
    vis a vis D:S reasonings in the “attack Iraq” posts, they should be annhilated.



  • @cystic:

    don’t forget - they’re communists, and they don’t like America, and they’ve been hostile to America’s allies in the past.
    vis a vis D:S reasonings in the “attack Iraq” posts, they should be annhilated.

    Yea, thank you for reading my mind. If our government views them as a clear and present threat, I think we have to act decisively.



  • Under the logic of basically everyone for an attack on Iraq, we should be scrambling troops to go into Korea.



  • Well, at least there’s no arguement about what kind of regime will be setup in North Korea, because the two will finally be reunited if North Korea is attacked. An attack there would also be the US trying to fix its own mess. The US could have chosen to occupy all of Korea but instead they chose to split it with the Soviets, a stupid mistake at the time that has kept the Koreans in two countries, one wasteland in the north and one US friendly Capitalist regime in the south.

    I dont really blame Clinton that much. After Kim Il Sung’s death, who would have thought that the country would keep on developing nuclear weapons and remain as radical as it has.



  • I hear north Koreas ruler has a very big home movie colection



  • Falk, after Iraq we will probably go after Iran before N. Korea. Part of the reason is that we may have to deal with China at the same time as N. Korea. Iraq will be america Two, Iran can be America Three, which we will use mostly for storage space, and then there is always America Four: the Korean Adventure.



  • I think that if the us invades korea then 1. korea gets no help and the war is short lived. or 2. China helps korea and it turns ino WWIII #1 being more probeble



  • GeZe,

    I’m afraid that you are mistaken about what is necessary for a WW3 to take place…

    You need to have 2 large, formidable, closely-matched opponents for a war of those proportions…

    China is NOWHERE NEAR OUR POWER. The importance of tech and air forces cannot be underestimated…

    they would lose decisively, and therefore, not get involved in the first place.



  • I’m not sure China would lose “decisively”… though they smart enough not to get involved…

    • Moses


  • @city:

    China is NOWHERE NEAR OUR POWER. The importance of tech and air forces cannot be underestimated…

    they would lose decisively, and therefore, not get involved in the first place.

    The world would lose decisively.
    That includes the PRC and the USA.



  • Good Lord!!!
    The war-mongering here is crazy. Why is it that the US is allowed to keep world-annhilating numbers of nukes, yet a struggling country looks to up itself militarily and all of a sudden its necessary to invade them???
    The world is a much bigger and more complex place than many here realize. Certainly i may be seen as an idiot (savant?) peacenik, however in my (very limited) travel experiences, i’ve come to realize (shockingly) that people are very much a like in many respects everywhere. They do not all want to take over the world (well, 'cept for in America where they do not even know what goes on in the world that they seek to control), they all have their needs, wants and wishes and most of those do not include being invaded. I have also come to realize that many of these people are very different in their cultures and ways of thinking. Why is it that we in the west, like the Europeans of old continually seek to dominate, shape and change these ways into our image?
    What is the truly great thing to do?? To step in and bloody up the works in advance, or to take the high road, helping out these nations (non-militarily) in order to prevent the works from being bloodied up in the first place? Surely it is not America’s fault that N. Korea has been a bit of a hole the last few decades - that doesn’t mean that they are in imminant danger of being attacked by them. I think that the West could take advantage of this massive turning point in N. Korea’s history and convert it into an ally and friend. Stranger things have happened in my short life.



  • Consider the following possible scenario…

    • Russia, China, or France veto the Iraq resolution.
    • Bush decides to attack Iraq and begins collecting forces in the gulf
    • Iran begins moving forces to its border with Iraq to “secure the border” for the upcoming US invasion.
    • The US attacks Iraq. Initial bombing is messy, the bulk of Iraqi forces are in urban centers. Ground forces are needed.
    • US commits ground forces to Iraq.
    • China invades Taiwan claiming the US military hardware sold to Taiwan is a serious threat to Mainland China. A preventive/defensive strike is warranted by China for the same reasons the U.S. is invading Iraq.
    • Iranian forces cross the Iraqi border. Iran claims it is crossing the border to provide humanitarian relief to innocent Iraqi civilians caught in the conflict. The Iranian troops are there simply to provide security for Iranian humanitarian relief workers and Iraqi citizens who might otherwise be terrorized by elements of Saddams military. It is noted however that Iranian military forces seem to be focused on diffing in around eastern Iraqi oil fields.

    ?? What does the U.S. do now ??



  • I don’t doubt we’d win a war against China, but prepared for it to go Nuclear. Say goodbye to all of East Asia, including our friends in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. And probably hundreds of thousands of Americans.

    People are way too quick to shout war these days. War is never a good thing. Except in Bush’s mind, he ran away from the Vietnam war.



  • We have no clear assurances that the next war will be a nuclear one… :-?



  • @TG:

    We have no clear assurances that the next war will be a nuclear one… :-?

    as chills go down cc’s spine


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