you forgot number “4” we’re all different shades of crazy people. That’s fine. And number “5” some speak with God, others are influenced by Satan. That and number “2” make the mose sense to me right now.
haha, so in your mind, the anti-american arab speak with Satan, and they think EXACTLY the same thing of you. It’s quite interesting. Even more interesting is the fact both of you base your claim on the same thing, it show how much valor it has.
As for the “advancement of knowledge” - well, there is great knowledge in Christianity beyond its simple theology and the bible. It just is not meant to advance science, but human behaviour and interaction. The fact that it does not do this so well ALL of the time is no fault of Christianity’s so much as those who fail while practicing it.
I agree it’s not christianity’s fault if they were (are) such a problem for science, but don’t complain about angry secular humanist after.
Your contention that there is no good or evil - you sit on the fence with these issues. Like millions of others who watch, refusing to condemn evil when its RIGHT THERE, refusing to condone goodness as it may be someone else’s evil. That’s what i am talking about.
No, No, No, i’m an humanist, i’am against capital punishment, against killing/war, against explotation. I condone what i think is primitive and againts the developpement of science and humanity, i am for scientific and social evolution. But i will never use a black & white vision, it’s always a good reason to make superficial jugement, without thinking, it’s just “evil”, final. Nothing is as black and white.
Faith: You’re wrong. You have no idea the struggle that i (and billions of other Christians) have gone through to arrive at what we believe. Add to that the Bible, other experiences with spiritual powers and a relationship with God. These things are not testible, and were never meant to be. That’s fine.
It’s blind as you believe in something without any reason. And other peoples that are not doing like you (for exemple my cliché about anti-american arab) are just “wrong”, you have just no reason to say that, you just don’t accept they could be right as much as you are; i call that blind faith.
Science - beautiful. Well ordered and organized, does not hinder my faith, but i believe it complements it.
You forget all the blow it give to religion; Lamarck, Freud, Gallilea. From a purely statistical point of view christianism is fading, in part because of science, in part because of his dogmas. Also you forget that Satan, the adversary, can be interpet in lots of ways. Secular humanist, communist, atheist; they are all adversary of christianism, so we are “satan” ? Will you need to destroy us ? I’m maybe a little acid and direct, i am still not “evil”.
Logic - a handy tool. It works some times, but not all the time. You are married, no? You can not convince me that unless she is some kind of robot that logic works in all situations. All i’ve learned from my many relationships - if she’s bitchy, give her food. I don’t understand it, but it works.
hahaha, right, i’m married, and logic does not always work out you’re right (and it’s even dangerous on PMS), and for complexity; even the hardest integral does not match a woman (we still spend most of our time thinking about them)
I know logic is not perfect, but “god” is a philosophical question, that need the use of logic, we need to make critic, not to believe in the closest myth. Dogmas are not making thing advande, constructive critics is.
Humanism - Christ was the first great humanist. He preached love, caring, helping the poor, doing good things for other people. He preached against laws that tied people up. He loved the world so much he died for it. He taught us to do to others as we’d have done to us. If our enemy does something mean to us, we are to do something kind. Has any one in history acted or taught more humanistic things?
Lots of people are dying for what they believe in. Anyway he “said” himself he was here to bring fire and division. It does not enter in my definition of “humanism”. Socrate is the first humanist for me. He never menace nobody, never kill, he just question everything, he want developpement, mouvement, and as you seem to care for those who die for what they believe in; Socrate did. And if you read the Republic of Plato, you’ll know another humanist.