What is the UN? What's it Doing? US Remain & Pay for it?



  • I think they want power and money. The easiest way to get it is from the US government before the US citizens know what is happening. The UN wants to control US soldiers, as well as try, imprison and tax US citizens. This much I know from UN proposals.

    I think we should move the UN facilities to Africa. It will help the economy there, help the delegates be more in touch with the people of the world, and get them out of our hair. 😉 :roll:



  • I think we had this as a topic before. 🙂
    Newby, where do you come from?



  • Yeah we have, in fact it was our first 10 page topic ) But what the hell, why not relive the topic. Newby, do me a favor and register.

    The United Nations is an organization designed for the little guy. The idea of it is to have a world wide democracy. In the past, sometimes its worked and sometimes it hasn’t.

    I think they want power and money.

    Don’t we all?

    The easiest way to get it is from the US government before the US citizens know what is happening.

    All Countries who pay their dues pay a fixed percentage of their GDP. The US has Veto power to look out for the needs of it’s citizens.

    The UN wants to control US soldiers, as well as try, imprison and tax US citizens.

    The UN has no standing army, and does not “control” US soldiers. The UN does not impose taxes upon anyone, except in the indirect form of UN dues which all countries are supposed to pay. Who owes the UN the most money? The United States.

    Imprison US citizens? Your joking right? If a country imprisoned a US citizen that wasn’t breaking that country’s laws, Strongman Bush would start a war.



  • The UN is the last way for other countries to get a say as to what happens to them.
    Nato is nice for its participants. They tend to be wealthier countries, typically not readily assailed by other forces, and i’m sure it’s a fun little club, however people from countries without these privileges have few other recourses. The US did something honorable by helping to establish it, and guys like Ralph Bunche (sp?) did quite well by the UN.
    Of course the UN ultimately looks out for the interests of America - the long term ones (as opposed to the short term ones - like saving Americans money). In theory the UN helps to keep the peace through multiple forces. This is nothing but good for the US as:
    a) A stable country is less likely to bomb US property/people than one that is less stable
    b) Through various charitible programs (UNICEF etc.) the UN empowers other nations to eventually develop their own economy and social programs. Again good for the US - more trading partners, and a larger pool of applicants to draw from when the labour market shrinks (not good for the countries losing literate citizens, of course).
    c, d, and e - call it good Karma - if the US were to pull out, it would sour relations with its allies, as well as its enemies.
    Also does the US even pay its UN dues? at all?
    w.r.t. moving it too another country - Africa - untenable. The US provides too much support staff and security that another country might not be able to.



  • Also does the US even pay its UN dues? at all?

    Yes, and it’s a A LOT of money.



  • The US owes hundreds of millions of dollars to the UN, but our dues to trickle in now and then.



  • ya the US doenst pay its share



  • Who owes the UN the most money? The United States.

    Maybe. But which country has the most soldiers sent into action to fight for a UN cause? The United States. Which country has lost the most soldiers when it comes to fighting for UN resolutions? The United States. Who pushes the UN to enforce their resolutions? The United States.

    I think we more than make up for our slow payments.

    Imprison US citizens? Your joking right? If a country imprisoned a US citizen that wasn’t breaking that country’s laws, Strongman Bush would start a war.

    As he should. I’d back him up 100% if he did.



  • ya the US doenst pay its share

    Heh, how much does Canada have to pay?



  • i haven’t heard that Canada was owing any money,
    and D:S - from what i’ve seen, the US tends to “lose” proportionately as many soldiers as other nations, unless they’ve sent in proportionately more, as is their want when their national interests are at stake.



  • Each country pays the same amount in relation to their GDP. Hardly unfair.

    Very few UN soldiers have died, ever. The UN is not a military organization. The UN is a diplomatic organization. It’s purpose is to avoid war. It has done so many times. A prime example is the Cuban Missle Crisis. Without the UN during those 13 days, there probably would have been a Nuclear war.



  • I’m not surprised that very few UN soldiers have died. Those are the soldiers which are sent on “peacekeeping” missions afterwards, to keep the people civilized. Who are the soldiers which actually have to win the fighting before those guys can go in? The United States. They’re the one’s who do the fighting.

    Send some UN soldiers into front-lines combat and we’ll see if you still claim a low casualty rate.



  • D:S this doesn’t happen that often either. I don’t think you understand the concept of “UN Peacekeepers”.
    Contrary to popular opinion, the US does not intervene in every skirmish around the world. The UN wouldn’t want them too. The UN basically tries, via diplomatic means, to decrease the fighting between two countries. They then send in troops to police the area - not to fight everyone at once, or anything like that. It’s not often that the US goes in to kill everyone before the peacekeepers begin their mission. If this happened, the UN peacekeepers would get nothing done. They would have no credibility, their peacekeepers would be brutalized by the people they would be trying to help, and life, in general, would suck for them.
    Sarejavo, which you might be thinking about, was a NATO affair and to begin with. The peacekeepers mostly prevent Croatian and Muslin reprisals and keep the weapons numbers down.



  • Guys, I understand what you’re saying, and I agree with you!

    What i’m saying is that WHEN there IS fighting to be done, it’s most likely going to fall to the responsibility of the US to provide the most military.



  • As I just said

    the UN is not a military organization.

    It never has been, it never will be. However, there are UN peacekeepers and representatives in more places than you’d think. Pick any Civil War in Africa, and you’ll find UN soldiers there. Theres thousands of Peacekeepers on the Ivory Coast. Theres a lot in Asia, mainly in Pakistan/India, trying to prevent a war, and in Nepal. The UN has done a lot since the Cold War ended.



  • I didn’t say it was a military organization!

    For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?



  • And Korea… And Vietnam… but what matter does it make? :-?



  • It matters becuase I think that people are too critical of the United States for only one aspect of membership in the United Nations.

    We may pay our dues late, but I’m saying that we compensate for that by risking the lives of our American troops in defense of countries all over the world, for encounters such as you listed above. No other country even comes close to shipping the amount of soldiers that we do, and UN conflict or not, our soldiers are fighting for everyone.

    So I think people need to lay off, and think about what really matters.



  • We may pay our dues late, but I’m saying that we compensate for that by risking the lives of our American troops in defense of countries all over the world, for encounters such as you listed above. No other country even comes close to shipping the amount of soldiers that we do, and UN conflict or not, our soldiers are fighting for everyone

    Uh, compare the amount US has to pay to all other countries. That’s A LOT of money. 300,000+ million a year?



  • Yea, something like that. Kind of ironic, huh?

    Our government taxes the hell out of the richest people in our country, and then the UN taxes the hell out of the richest country in the world.

    What goes around comes around. 😄



  • I wonder how much Saddam pays each year…



  • Quite a bit probably 🙂

    You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.

    Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.

    There are barely any US soldiers in the UN ranks. Let me put it into perspective. There are more Malay soldiers than US soldiers.

    When have US Soldiers died? In US wars.

    The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.



  • The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.

    And who’s fault was this.

    You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.

    Yes, unprovoked wars should never be handled by the UN. Sure… :roll:

    Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.

    How so?

    Quite a bit probably

    I think total not yearly Saddam has paid 300,000.



  • Korea… And Vietnam…

    and TG, you said it in reply to…

    For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?

    He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.

    Kuwait was a joint military effort by 50something countries. Who put most of the ground forces in there? The US, French, and Saudis. Who put most of the airpower in there? The US, British, and the Saudis.

    The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do. The British Airforce flew incredibly risky missions to take out Iraqi Fighters, and many were shot down. The French led the assault against an elite, entrenched, Republican guard. The Americans were faced against thousands of armored opponents.

    Vietnam and Korea are two entirely different things. Korea was a war launched upon us, by North Korea. We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively. It wasn’t a UN matter, and it was solved.

    Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.



  • He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.

    No, forces from other nations served in Korea and Vietnam. But you’re right about the majority.

    The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do.

    Who says so? That would be like saying, “US funds the entire UN.” This would be wrong, though they found the most of any country in it.

    We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively.

    We won? 🙂

    Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.

    Tell me, how did the Vietnam war actually start? Minimal casualties showed that the US military did an outstanding job in trainning. Perhaps the more casualties the better?

    Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.

    How so?


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