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  • @Imperious:

    1941 scenario:

    UK:

    1 BB

    1 Cruiser
    3 Transports
    5 Destroyers

    I find it`s not quite obvious to figure out what ships are found on the map as still they all look imho too equal. UK is just an exemple.

    Could you be please so kind and post the units per sea zone, so e.g. Bb, Trn (sz1), etc…

    So are these Cru, Des in sz12 (AZO)?

    P.S.: And I also count 11 UK-ships, so that`s propably one more trn I think


  • Customizer

    What is the part of this publicity I dont get…?!

    Axis & Allies: Anniversary Edition details:

    Designed by Larry Harris, creator of Axis & Allies
    Italy introduced as the third Axis nation
    Two set-up options: Spring 1941 and Spring 1942
    Cruiser class ships join the naval unit line-up
    China included as US controlled ally
    New sculpts for Italy  ???  , China, and others
    Game board measures ~ 24” x 46”
    Over 600 game pieces
    48 page rulebook

    Can someone tell me?

    Italian “new” pieces:

    infantry = NEW; hurray!!!
    artillery = old japanese one;
    armour = old japanese one;
    fighter = german messerchmitt;
    bomber = I really dont know but Im afraid is more of the same “AH new”-old AA German bomber;

    battleship = german biscmark?!?
    cruiser = “new” german cruiser
    transport = old german transport
    destroyer = old german destroyer
    submarine = old german submarine
    bomber = I really dont know but Im afraid is more of the same “AH new”-old AA German carrier;

    Now now…whats this deal?! Is AH joking or what?! 100$ ( probably 100€… ) and they reuse the same molds with different colours?!

    You know where this will lead dont you? 4 years from now youll see another “development” in the A&A game and another promise of “super-new-molds-for-the-new-old-italian-nation…” probably 150$… they promise 1000+ pieces and we all get happy!!!  Thats ridiculous.

    I guess they cant throw a game with all the goodies… they have to squeeze all the juice…and the longer they do it, more $$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Pieces are cheaper by larger numbers… the only costy thing is the MOLD of the pieces…

    So where does this leaves us? Misleading advertising… Why do you think AH didnt give details/images about this game? Only promises… you go with the hype! and pre-order the game like there is no tomorrow…

    Well, happy you!



  • Yes, Dagon81, this point is the worst point of Anniversry. I was eagerly awaiting for italian units and … we will have recycled miniatures… 😞


  • Official Answers

    To be fair, there are “new sculpts for Italy”, just not for all the units. The tank is actually new, it just looks a lot like the Japanese one. All the naval units are the same as the German ones, and the bomber is the same as the Japanese one. On the plus side, the UK gets its own tank.



  • @Krieghund:

    To be fair, there are “new sculpts for Italy”, just not for all the units. The tank is actually new, it just looks a lot like the Japanese one. All the naval units are the same as the German ones, and the bomber is the same as the Japanese one. On the plus side, the UK gets its own tank.

    Krieghund, this is no “fair”.


  • Official Answers

    My point is that they never promised that all of the Italian units would be new scuplts.  I have to agree with you, though, I am disappointed that they aren’t.  As to whether the game is worth $100 (or whatever you pay on-line), I’ll have to wait until it’s physically in my possession before making that call.



  • @Krieghund:

    My point is that they never promised that all of the Italian units would be new scuplts.  I have to agree with you, though, I am disappointed that they aren’t.  As to whether the game is worth $100 (or whatever you pay on-line), I’ll have to wait until it’s physically in my possession before making that call.

    Questionable.

    In the same way they never said that only some Italian units will be old  sculpts.


  • Official Answers

    True, it’s a matter of interpretation.  Given the history, I personally didn’t expect all of the Italian units to be new scultps, but I did expect more of them to be than they are.



  • Thee is only a “sure” new sculpts: the italian infantry. The Italian tank is a strange object, from the pics I have still to identify the model. Stop. All the other units are recycled. While UK received a new tank? UK fought with Sherman for the most part, there was no need to change it.

    I had been happy having at least the BB and the Cruiser as new sculpts.

    For not speaking about the color… brown… historically Italy never had a brown color and is also similar to USSR colour.

    The problem is that they have done this in the Anniversary Edition. The celebration for the 50 years of Avalon Hill and they are going to sell the game at 100$.


  • Official Answers

    The Italian tank is definitely new, but I’m not sure of the model.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    $69.00



  • @Imperious:

    $69.00

    LOL  :lol:  IL - I can tell that it frustrates you when the game is quoted at the retail price of $100 instead of the “actual” price of $69.00!  I think that’s funny!



  • @Krieghund:

    The Italian tank is definitely new, but I’m not sure of the model.

    The two most widely used Italian tanks were the M13/40 and the M14/41, see following web site.

    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1975/g_tnkita.htm

    The Italian tank has the correct suspension set up, I think, but the upper profile does not look right at all, almost have to see a profile picture.  I guess you could call it a poor miniature of the M13/40 or M14/41.

    The British looks to be the Matilda II infantry tank, a nice tank, but one that was used only up to early 1942.  I can think of three better choices for a distinctive British tank:  the Valentine and the Churchill, both infantry tanks, or the Cromwell, probably the best British tank in wide service.  Alternatively, they could have used the Comet, available in time for the D-Day invasion.

    As for the rest of the Italian sculpts, aside from the color being so close to the Russian, using the JAPANESE BETTY as the Italian bomber.  Wizards/Hasbro could not spring for a new mold for the SM-79 Sparviero?  New molds in China cost about $3500.  Plastic costs, cutting them from the runners, and packaging is going to be the same regardless of what the piece looks like.  Allowing for dealer markup, that is about the cost of 230 games, figuring about $40 cost to wholesalers, and probably $25 production costs and shipping from China to here.  They did not believe that a distinctive Italian bomber would not sell at least 230 more games?  Given the recycled molds, the profit margin to Wizards/Hasbro is going to be pretty good.  Productioni costs probably will be lower for the other A&A games because of the run for Anniversary, and I suspect will be lower than $25 per game for Anniversary.

    I think that I am going to cancel my preorder for 2 games, and hopefully, there will be one on display at the Chicago Toy and Game Fair which I will be at.  Depending on how that looks, I might go back to writing my own rules to add Italy.


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    @timerover51:

    @Krieghund:

    The Italian tank is definitely new, but I’m not sure of the model.

    The two most widely used Italian tanks were the M13/40 and the M14/41, see following web site.

    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1975/g_tnkita.htm

    The Italian tank has the correct suspension set up, I think, but the upper profile does not look right at all, almost have to see a profile picture.  I guess you could call it a poor miniature of the M13/40 or M14/41.

    I’d say it’s either an M.13/40 or an M.15/42.  It’s hard to tell them apart at that scale.



  • Yes, also I am thinking that it should be a M13/40, that was the tank produced in greater number by Italy, about 1400 units. M14/41 was an improved version of the M13/40. Had crew access door on left side of hull and an improved air and fuel filters and installed a more powerful diesel engine. So it is difficult to recognize between the two models. M15/42 was produced in very few units, it is difficult ot consider it for being representative and is almost identical to M14/41, saving a slightly more powerful engine and a different design for the rear.

    I suppose they have depicted the M13/40.


  • Customizer

    I understand they didnt really promised new molds for all the italian units, but recycling other nation units is not a way to go in an anniversary edition… thats not evolution in the piece department…

    Like someone said, I would rather keep the UK sherman and introduce the Savoia Marchetti bomber…

    The Matilda would make more sense for a Alamein game, and this is a wasted opportunity to really introduce Italian units for such a future game…

    The italian messerchmitt I buy it…it looks similar to an italian macchi folgore. The italian navy is the real disappointment: they had a great navy in both ship classes and quantity to allow several choices for cruisers, battleships, destroyers, transports, carriers and submarines…

    Its completely ilogical. I guess they were expecting to release a Alamein game and then use those “really new italian units” in this game… but that was before someone remembered an anniversary… and screwed big time.

    For AA Europe there were 25 new molds… and this is the anniversary edition… OK
    Just remember, the molds are the costy thing… the pieces get cheaper by the big numbers…and thats what you get in this game… 600+ pieces… but for MORE $$$$$. Just think about it.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Hey we have not seen the Italian carrier… perhaps its the Aquila…ok who am i fooling… its probably the same as the German carrier.

    Lets just be happy with what we got. The map is huge.

    If you want Italian pieces you can get them from www.skytrex.com and they are in scale at 1:3000 scale


  • Customizer

    The game mechanics for sure evolved, but I rather put my hands on the game before giving my final words… we’ll see…


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