• Jermofoot,

    What do you think caused the plague?

    LT


  • Sorry for my absence and late reply, I have been very busy as of late.

    About Alter.  I feel like she represented the highly emotional (or crazy, lol) women that we all know and love.  And yes, I think the stress of the new world threw her off her rocker, but she used chaos to fuel more and satisfy her own selfish desires.  When she was willing to kill Y (and the other surviving men) instead of working in a positive manner for the survivors and help save the dying world, I took it as something deeper was fueling her decisions.  It did not quite surprise me that she was wanting to die, I just didn’t think that was her main motive.

    Yeah, I liked the variance of Mann’s clones (I still crack up at her last name), especially the “punk phase” one.  But Y actually pointed out that they wouldn’t be a copy of Mann except genetically, throwing his thoughts on the nature vs. nurture concept.

    I do feel like there was some filler story arcs, but it’s all good and was used to develop the main characters and show the “what if” possibilities of this new world.

    I think part of the series was to give an analysis of what would happen post-disaster in the world.  Or to address the argument that men have run the world and screwed it up, but if women had the chance it would be a utopia.  The idea presented (in my mind) is that people screw up and your sex doesn’t matter one bit.  I try to imagine the chaos if half the world up and died, being indiscriminate to race, creed, religion, status, etc., and I think it got it right that world would be plunged in turmoil.

    I enjoyed the reality of the series (barring the plague itself) and agree that it was good to start and end it rather than making it an ongoing story.  Part of what made it good.  The Simpsons, while good, does have the problem of running out of ideas and making a definitive stopping point in Y kept us yearning for more but satisfying our taste for a good story.

    I’m just wondering how the movie will pull things off, and how they will change the storyline.  I’m having doubts about how well it would be emulated.  But hey, if they look at the movie as a “cover” of a good story and make some decent interpretation, it will add to the Y universe and hopefully be for the better.  We will have to wait and see.

    It sad to say that the casualties of war are highly complex, and those that lose the most perhaps find peace.  The survivors get to deal with the mess.  Mental issues, while having been studied for ages, are still not entirely understood, so while you mention we are much better at preventing full loss, we take damage of another kind.  I do think our health care for veterans, or even our citizens in general, is pretty messed up.  For all those calling for war, I wish they had a chance to look at it in the face and realize we are not taking full responsibility for what can and does happen in a highly stressful environment.  This is one reason why I say send in the troops as a last possible resort.  The military is a tool perhaps, but it is still full of living, feeling human beings that aren’t something you can use and dispose of.

    Perhaps in the future we will know what our brothers and sisters-in-arms require of us so that we may not neglect them ever again.  For now I will stick with the idea that only when necessary will keep us out of the most trouble.

    Ok, cause of the plague.  I’m really undecided here, that’s why I’ve been trying to get thoughts from other readers.  Let’s look at the possibilities (from Wiki):

    Possible explanations include:

    * The Amulet of Helene being removed from the nation of Jordan. The amulet’s owner warned that if it was ever taken from its homeland, it would create a tragedy greater than the Trojan War.
        * The successful cloning of a human female (which renders the reproductive role of men unnecessary) caused the Earth to “course correct” itself and eliminate all males.
        * A combination of Dr. Matsumori’s attempt to kill his daughter’s unborn clone fetus by injecting a capuchin monkey (Ampersand) with a toxin engineered to target the clone’s specific genetic code with a form of morphic resonance.
        * The Culper Ring, who may have created a chemical agent designed to prevent women from conceiving male children. This agent was introduced into in China to cripple their economy, however, something went wrong, and the chemical agent instead killed males of all ages.
        * The Earth cleansing herself of the Y chromosome, as the Amazons believe.
        * Changes in the Dreamtime impacting normal reality, as believed by some Australian aboriginals and Beth.

    None of these theories seem very plausible, although 2 stick out in my mind as the most likely: Dr. Matsumori’s toxin and the Culper Ring’s chemical agent.

    It makes most sense that cloning has something to do with it: it is a key plot line in the story and is relied upon in the new world to survive.  The man that was farthest along in the development of cloning had an obvious conflict with his daughter who was working on the same thing, so there is a motive.  And is it by chance that he survived the plague?  Not at all, I think.  That’s where I would place my bet.

    But your idea that all of these things are interconnected and co-causes is an interesting one.  I’d look at that more but I’m out of time!  Until the next discussion…

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    I think the movie is likely to be feminist pandering. Jermo hit on the essential message –  people mess things up. I don’t see how they would ever let that through in a film. A simple one like a woman’s beauty is useless in a world without men will never make into the film.

    While I would hope it would, and we might see enough folks ready for a shift in their woman good, man bad world view I’m not optimistic and fear the film would just be the women even more genius and badass taking care of a even more hapless, dweebish Yorrick. I can’t see them really embracing anything from the tale other than the story of a dweeb with survivor guilt who needs taken care of and saved.

    Why did Yorrick survive the plague? Because he was too stupid to keep from getting shit on. I don’t see how Hollywood getting anything but women good-men bad from that.

    Y does have messages about equality and a sense that men matter in the world but I don’t see Hollywood doing anything with this other than asking, “Who needs men?” And answering “No one.”


  • @frimmel:

    I think the movie is likely to be feminist pandering. Jermo hit on the essential message –  people mess things up. I don’t see how they would ever let that through in a film. A simple one like a woman’s beauty is useless in a world without men will never make into the film.

    While I would hope it would, and we might see enough folks ready for a shift in their woman good, man bad world view I’m not optimistic and fear the film would just be the women even more genius and badass taking care of a even more hapless, dweebish Yorrick. I can’t see them really embracing anything from the tale other than the story of a dweeb with survivor guilt who needs taken care of and saved.

    Why did Yorrick survive the plague? Because he was too stupid to keep from getting sh*t on. I don’t see how Hollywood getting anything but women good-men bad from that.

    Y does have messages about equality and a sense that men matter in the world but I don’t see Hollywood doing anything with this other than asking, “Who needs men?” And answering “No one.”

    I’m sorry to say but I fear you might be right.  I’m glad I own the novels and had a look into the true version before Hollywood corupts it.

    LT

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